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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 11:32
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I'm a scouser living in Holland getting on 40 years now. .... It is just as bad, in some ways worse than in the UK. For example, Health Insurance is compulsory whether working or unemployed.
Not sure whether that is a whinge or just an observation, but FWIW certainly in many of the EU27 nations your health care comes in part from the State, in part from private health insurance, though there is usually some form of safety net for those who genuinely cannot afford the premiums...can’t speak for the quality of care in the Netherlands but where I am the local hospitals provide top notch care, including A&E....

The riots in France are not just about fuel tax, its about living standards. ....
Or as it is called in at least one country where people won’t/can’t get off their backsides and protest: “austerity”...

You are correct that the “Jilly Joans” started as a middle class protest into over fuel tax, morphed into a general gripe about austerity....but it then got high jacked by various interesting groups of yobs who have an interest in keeping things going, as a result of which the workers and middle class have pretty much gone home....The regular Saturday gatherings by the stone throwers in our local city are a bit of a PITA but funnily enough aren’t quite on the scale depicted by some of the U.K. MSM.....
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 11:39
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Originally Posted by jindabyne View Post
Read my post again. I'm not a spokesman for anyone.
Well in that case, who is this "known source " please ?.

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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 11:51
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 11:56
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
And the thought of Northern Ireland making a peaceful transition to a united Ireland is fanciful in the extreme.
But that would be the EU's problem
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 12:03
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Originally Posted by jindabyne View Post
A friend of a friend!
You appear to have mistaken anecdote for data.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 12:23
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Originally Posted by jindabyne View Post
A friend of a friend!
Of course......alas, the Excess / Sun / Mail have been publishing some "remarkably similar " stories for several years now.....albeit in a more articulate style.

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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 12:34
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Just as well because the potage lorry will probably be stuck in Calais.
That isn't what the Mayor of Calais thinks btw
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 13:36
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Originally Posted by jindabyne View Post
Passed to me from a known source ------

"I'm a scouser living in Holland getting on 40 years now. .... It is just as bad, in some ways worse than in the UK. For example, Health Insurance is compulsory whether working or unemployed. My wife and I pay 250 euros per month and that is basic, no dentals, physios or extras. 2 major hospitals have shut down - there are no beds - the A&E is the same as the UK, families are asked to look after their parents because of shortages in Care.

The immigration problem is a laughing stock, food banks are noT coping, people in work are not making ends meet and are relying on food banks. .... Belgium, Germany and France have the same problems. Angela Merkel is stepping down as Prime Minister (Chancellor) but has forgot to tell everyone she has a secure high position in Brussels. .... Why would you want to be a member of a gang of pocket-filling thieves who do not care about their people? ... As for Junker ... don't get me started ....

The EU countries are crumbling and no f*cker gives a"dangle-doo-dandy", so GET OUT while you can and maybe others will follow suit". .... They are scaring and flexing their muscles and hoping that it will turn around, because the membership fee the UK puts in every year will have to be put up by the remaining countries. .... Holland will have to double their fee we've been told. ... What other countries can afford this?

Spain, Greece, Italy all bankrupt, so you see the EU does not want to lose the UK and will bully any way to try to win it over by threatening the Northern Ireland deal, the fishing deal, giving back Gibraltar and whatever else they can get their grubby hands on, so don't be fooled, it's not a bed of roses, things are bad here and like I said, in some matters its worse.

The riots in France are not just about fuel tax, its about living standards. .... Belgium and Holland have also taken up the baton with the Yellow Jacket Demonstrators because they're tired of it. .... Take the time to find out yourselves, then you will be glad of Brexit, and like I've said, with sense, holland will follow suit" ....'
With all due respect to your known source but the above is Bollocks. If it is worse then the UK why does he not move back to the UK?

we have a few on this site like your known source, they all want the UK to leave the EU whilst themselves happily living in a EU country.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 13:41
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Oh dear. 2016 'Take back control'. 2018, Parliament is doing things I don't agree with so I've asked a foreign country to get the EU to veto it.





Still, we've found at least one British job the Brexiteers are happy for the Poles have. The absolute state of this country, we're a laughing stock.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 15:11
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
It seems rather strange that people should demonstrate on the streets against having a free vote on an important national issue. Isn't that rather anti-democratic?
Yes, that thought crossed my mind, too.

If, for the sake of argument, there was another referendum and Leave lost this time, then the Leave campaign's beef would be, presumably, with those who voted Leave first time around and have now changed their mind in the light of day. How dare people do that, what do they think this is - a democracy ?
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 15:23
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Well in that case, who is this "known source " please ?.
A quick Google shows that this diatribe has been posted on dozens, if not hundreds, of Internet forums by a number of different posters. Most of them claim, curiously, to have "typed it out word for word as I believe that everybody, needs to know whats really happening in Europe".

I expect it's being painted on the side of a bus even as I speak
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 15:33
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Yes, that thought crossed my mind, too.

If, for the sake of argument, there was another referendum and Leave lost this time, then the Leave campaign's beef would be, presumably, with those who voted Leave first time around and have now changed their mind in the light of day. How dare people do that, what do they think this is - a democracy ?
But would we be allowed another vote if it went that way.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 16:00
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But would we be allowed another vote if it went that way.
​​​​​​Certainly. I think you should have another one if you lose.

Ref1 - 2016
Ref2 - 2019
Ref3 - 2022 ?

At that rate we'd never leave
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 16:02
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
A quick Google shows that this diatribe has been posted on dozens, if not hundreds, of Internet forums by a number of different posters. Most of them claim, curiously, to have "typed it out word for word as I believe that everybody, needs to know whats really happening in Europe".

I expect it's being painted on the side of a bus even as I speak
Oh dear Jindabyne. You truly are busted! Original thought as they say, is like original sin. It happened years ago, to people you couldn't possibly have met.


https://www.google.com/search?client...40+years+now.+...
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 16:39
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Ahoy, shipmates. P&O has suddenly decided to reflag their ships in Cyprus. Is there something looming on the horizon?

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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 16:44
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
​​​​​​Certainly. I think you should have another one if you lose.

Ref1 - 2016
Ref2 - 2019
Ref3 - 2022 ?

At that rate we'd never leave
Actually
Ref1 - Thursday 5 June 1975
Ref2 - 2016
Ref3 - 2019?
Ref4 - 2022??
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 16:57
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 17:12
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
But would we be allowed another vote if it went that way.
A fair question.

One would presumably want those voting in a referendum to be able to make an informed choice.

So it would depend on whether or not you think people are now better informed about the likely consequences of leaving the EU than they were in 2016.

Obviously if there were further, even worse, predictions to emerge subsequently, then we should keep having them,
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 17:19
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The thought of another referendum just fills me with dread.
Firstly I think Leave will probably edge it again and so any hope of avoiding a catastrophic departure will be all but gone.
Secondly, weeks and weeks of the same arguments, name calling, the hamster wheel will be like catherine wheel it'll be going so fast.
The same bunch of wasters (parliament) will be present and the accusation will be "keep having a vote until you get the right answer" .
Referendums were great when the leaders got the answer they wanted - Join the EU, YES - TICK, Change the voting system, NO - TICK, Scottish Independence, NO - TICK, Leave the EU, YES - Oh.........
What if it goes wrong again?
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 17:28
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Originally Posted by sfm818 View Post
Ahoy, shipmates. P&O has suddenly decided to reflag their ships in Cyprus. Is there something looming on the horizon?

LINK
We are becoming inured to news like this to the extent it now barely registers. On the day Sony decamp to Holland, Dyson, egregiously to Singapore, who handily signed a trade deal with the EU last month & now P&O. This is how it will be post Brexit, not a heart attack but slow suffocation as one by one, they leave, rarely blaming Brexit but leaving because of it.

Were I running a Emea/Row outfit, I'd be off too.
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