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Old 20th Jan 2019, 19:39
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
You can't get an act of parliament through without the house sitting and no MP's to vote on it. Which would be required to cancel (thanks to Gina) or to kill the current act that specifies the leaving date.
(1) Possibly not, because the Scottish courts decided they didn't feel like ruling on that point. The argument is that the Miller case showed that you need an act to take away citizens' rights, but as revoking A50 doesn't take away anybody's right to anything it can still be done just by the government.

(2) Like all sensible decision making bodies, central government has a fallback for when there isn't a parliament or when there isn't time for parliament to do something. I'm not sure of the precise constitutional details of orders in council, but some combination of the Queen, the government (which still exists when there isn't a parliament) and the Privy Council can push through new laws, with any argument to take place after the fact.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 05:17
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(1) would need to go through court to say one way or the other. And if it looked likely it would be taken there. And time wasted etc etc until it was mute point anyway. Scottish courts can't rule on matters pertaining to the UK parliament so its not surprising. But I can't see them doing it anyway if a GE is pulled because they would instantly loose all the leave supporters. If they leave alone they get a UK out and the possibility that Corbyn is a bit to much for the majority of the population in or out.

And it would be subject to ECJ challenge

(2) it would be the first time it has happened in the UK. it would also put the monarch at odds with 50% of the population. And again it would need its day or two in court to say it was in fact legal. I agree it could happen if say someone decided to invade the UK during a GE cycle but for this..... can't see it as there is no national emergency.

And again it would be challenged through the ECJ.

Both cases I would say its clutching at straws. On the other hand default exit is automatic and driven by EU as well as the UK law.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 06:42
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Which, as discussed above, Would mean th next vote would be past th dat where, if it were followed by another vote of no confidence, would mean a general election and parliament dissolved whilst Brexit occurred......

https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/l...ur-vs-the-bbc/

“.......In the Times, Sam Coates says No. 10’s plan is to first secure the backing of parliament for May’s “new” approach next week, before returning to Brussels with a mandate for fresh talks. “The prime minister will try to use a vote in the Commons on January 29 to show changes [to the backstop] could secure a majority among MPs,” Coates writes. “Under her plan, she will then go back to Brussels with what she hopes will be a mandate from the Commons. That means a ‘meaningful vote’ on her revised deal would need to wait for talks with EU officials to finish, which could take at least a week. There would then be a week of debate in the Commons. Cabinet officials believe that the new vote will not take place until the middle of next month.”........
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 07:01
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The UK is saved ! As always, in times of national crisis, what better source to offer inspiration than........an Excess crusade !.....coming soon in the rag, a DVD of Vera whatshername "greatest hits " and a free pull out and keep copy of the lyrics for "There always be an England ".......
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-46941664

Elsewhere, it's nice to see UKIP retains the attraction for those whose who are truly repulsive ....the plea in the last paragraph being quite heart rending really......as if people would. A lady called Gina gets a mention....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-46921529

Back now to the new version of Scrabble...the one which involves picking a letter from the alphabet and inserting " Plan " before it.....thus far stagnating at "B "

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Old 21st Jan 2019, 07:17
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Back now to the new version of Scrabble...the one which involves picking a letter from the alphabet and inserting " Plan " before it.....thus far stagnating at "B "
On BBC Radio 4 "The News Quiz" this week one of the panel said that he expected Plan B to be "Plan A in a different font" which I think from what has been said over the weekend is more than likely. If it is thus, that just plays into the hands of Dominic Grieve and his cohorts, and if the like of Liam Fox are worried about Brexit being "hijacked" then he and the cabinet are doing little to prevent just that outcome.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 07:19
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Go on, Go, on Go on:
Ask yourselves.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...pping-no-deal/
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 07:32
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From somebody’s favourite newspaper, The Grauniad.....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...no-deal-brexit

England’s rebel spirit is rising – and it wants a no-deal Brexit
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 07:38
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Go on, Go, on Go on:
Ask yourselves.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...pping-no-deal/
From the comments section, I assume this paper is considered biased towards Leave, so will hold no validity.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 07:47
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So, it looks as if, with UK out of the way, Germany & France are taking steps to consolidate their grip on the EU:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46908205
Who'd have thought it!
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 07:49
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It has as much validity as the remain bias works of fiction on economics.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 08:15
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
It has as much validity as the remain bias works of fiction on economics.
So presumably, on the basis of your comment above, this gentleman has no credible argument .....

I get the impression he may, just may, have considerably more knowledge about his impending future than, say, yourself for example.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...l-trade-queues
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 09:00
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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...cle-50-britain

A citizens’ assembly is now the only way to break the Brexit deadlock
What a clever idea, I take it the populous will vote to select these individuals to represent us and put their views based on what the populous want on such things like making and changing laws...... Hmmmm now where have I heard of that before.....

Ahhh now I remember, it's called Parliament and we call them Politicians, so what he is saying is that we have another set of "politicians" to advise the set we already have, now I cannot see this new set doing it for free, so perhaps the original set will halve their wages and allowances to fund this new set....or wait, perhaps we should just replace the old set with this new set.



Surely the referendum was a "Citizens assemby" telling them what it wanted?
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 09:16
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
So presumably, on the basis of your comment above, this gentleman has no credible argument .....

I get the impression he may, just may, have considerably more knowledge about his impending future than, say, yourself for example.
Come now Krystal. That's unfair. The respected contributor has benefitted us with his knowledge of finance, logistics, international relations, road collision analysis and even gynaecology. I always look forward to his analyses on these and many other subjects. Please don't question his expertise.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 09:21
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...cle-50-britain



What a clever idea, I take it the populous will vote to select these individuals to represent us and put their views based on what the populous want on such things like making and changing laws...... Hmmmm now where have I heard of that before.....

Ahhh now I remember, it's called Parliament and we call them Politicians, so what he is saying is that we have another set of "politicians" to advise the set we already have, now I cannot see this new set doing it for free, so perhaps the original set will halve their wages and allowances to fund this new set....or wait, perhaps we should just replace the old set with this new set.



Surely the referendum was a "Citizens assemby" telling them what it wanted?
Not a bad idea, actually..unless you have any other suggestions for braking the impasse ....or at least, those not yet suggested.

But, your fears may yet prove groundless !.....because, and it's tempting to include "Thin Lizzy, the boys are back in town " here, but I won't, "Come back and finish what you started " would be more apt, guess who has slithered out from beneath whatever rock he was domiciled under ?.....correct ! Nige, "Divine Saviour " Farage.

Mind you, the last resurrection only got as far as Bolton on a clapped out double decker, so there's no reason to suppose this latest declaration will differ from last time...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-delayed-ukip
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 09:38
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Not a bad idea, actually..unless you have any other suggestions for braking the impasse ....or at least, those not yet suggested.

But, your fears may yet prove groundless !.....because, and it's tempting to include "Thin Lizzy, the boys are back in town " here, but I won't, "Come back and finish what you started " would be more apt, guess who has slithered out from beneath whatever rock he was domiciled under ?.....correct ! Nige, "Divine Saviour " Farage.

Mind you, the last resurrection only got as far as Bolton on a clapped out double decker, so there's no reason to suppose this latest declaration will differ from last time...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-delayed-ukip
Interesting suggestion by that 'Oxford educated' commentator.
​​​​If you take London out, leave won by 11% – not just a few per cent”.
Or 'Let's leave London out of Brexit. We don't want their vote.'

If London can stay in the EU I will move back there tomorrow.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 09:47
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Perish the thought of course but if Her Majesty were to decide to pick the middle of next month to shuffle off her mortal coil and ascend to the Pantheon of Emperors, Kings, Queens, Rajahs and assorted other splendiferous ones in the sky, it would be rather convenient for present government and opposition, wouldn't it.
Just imagine what could get buried in the lachrymose manifestation of national depression so typical of a royal funeral. Think too what parliamentary excrescences could be buried like dog dung in the alcoholic, maudlin and jingoistic behaviour that so typifies a British celebration, as Charles III, Fid Def,was crowned King of England.
Yes indeed, in a truly inoffensively intended suggestion, HRH could probably do nothing better to further the country she has devoted her life to serving than pegging it on Velentine's Day.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 09:48
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Seems reasonable. Let the thick set lads with the big ears from the villages have their Brexit & We'll keep London & it's 22% contribution to GDP.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 10:32
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Well my predictions have pretty much all come through so far. Apart from an occasional blip in timings recently but it could be that the recent vote was just the first one and another will occur as I suspect will happen.

But carry on with your personal abuse makes not the slightest difference to me or what the final outcome will be in a few weeks.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 10:35
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Many of the biggest contributors to that 22% GDP have homes, second or thirds, outside London.
London has a congestion charge and an add on tax for old vehicles which effectively means that those who live outside London get taxed to enter London. No doubt a similar sort of reciprocating tax, by the head, could be levied on those who work in London but who choose to live among the big ears from the beautiful villages of Sussex, Hampshire, Kent and other salubrious places where those who work in the capital city run the ratlines to and from their expensively charming properties.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 10:41
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Well my predictions have pretty much all come through so far. Apart from an occasional blip in timings recently but it could be that the recent vote was just the first one and another will occur as I suspect will happen.

But carry on with your personal abuse makes not the slightest difference to me or what the final outcome will be in a few weeks.
Not abuse I assure you but admiration
And of course you are correct about the ultimate exit, as has been clear from the very start.
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