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Old 18th Jan 2019, 12:04
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"Doesn't stop the dimmer end of the electorate spectrum somehow believing that by leaving the EU the arrival on (sic) non-Europeans, whether asylum seekers or not is going to stop."

No, of course it won't. To birds of passage, the EU is likely to say, "Sorry, can't accommodate you, enough already. Why don't you try the UK?"

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[and if the UK protests, the EU will say, "Sorry, not our problem!"]
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 12:42
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
So then, another facet of your already charming persona is you think the poor should not have children. If we're setting arbitrary conditions on this, such as for example, poverty of critical thought, then I guess you must be a lonely wee Willie.
Don't try the transference gig; you come across about as obnoxious as they come, do you have to work hard at it or is it a natural ability?
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 13:19
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Should there be too many children for the social system to maintain do what the left wing Socialists do: Impose a one-child policy.

It sorted China's problems for a few decades.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 14:06
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Tiresome to have to put up with endless flowering made up airy fairy conjecture on a daily basis, right?
No, as usual. Crack on with insults does your cause more harm than good. Have you bothered using the EU stats site yet to form your own analysis of the economic picture or are you still looking at fiction writers who support your POV.

If your on a build up to a GE and you want the population to trust your party. Abbott is hardy the picture you want people to see never mind think about in government.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 14:14
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The last two threads on Brexit descended into personal insults and were closed by Mods.

On the basis of recent posts it is likely that this one may follow suit.

That would be a shame.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 14:27
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Now here's an interesting letter.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46918009
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 15:29
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
Should there be too many children for the social system to maintain do what the left wing Socialists do: Impose a one-child policy.

It sorted China's problems for a few decades.
And India has a similar 'We two our one'. It is not just single white females with multiple relationships that will have benefits restricted but some immigrant families too where the more children equated to more benefits.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 15:45
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Heard ‘Lord’ Blunkett on the radio today Pontificating on Brexit. He said we must have a second referendum.

He dismisses May’s deal as really bad. Then he explained ‘Norway’ and said this was possibly worse than the May deal.

He was asked what the question should be. He said there should be three options. May’s deal. Norway deal or he actually said another referendum but I think he meant to say remain.

Well that’s a great democratic option isn’t it?

I seem to remember he was embroiled in some scandal before being given a nice comfy bolt hole and regular little earner in the Lords.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 15:51
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remainers are not patronising and arrogant- most f them have a lot of exposure tot he outside world though work and travel-many quitters do not so they see things through different eyes or different lies.

we are now seeing many of the so called project fear predictions come home to roost as compaies give up on the Uk, partially for seeing us a stupid nation , if we voted for Brexit whats next.

Sadly the media loves the make Britain Great again fantasy and thats exploited to the hilt by traitors like Johnson and Rees Mogg whose lives wont be affected in the least whatever happened. One just wants to be PM at any price-maybe so he can shag a better class of woman than at present and Ress Mogg bizarrely wants to tun the clock back toa time when he would have been barred from the Commons because of his religion. But turning back to todays world how can BBC take things like this seriously-iLam Fox says that staying in a permanent customs arrangement with the EU would "not be delivering Brexit".

The international trade secretary said he did not believe the UK could have an independent trade policy if it stayed in a customs union. This from Mr useless himself who has no trade deals lined up and we are not even going to be in WTO when we leave because a lot of nations who vote on it wont allow us too. All Fox has done in 2 years is rack up a zillion BA Avios and achieved nothing at all. And this from a man who after the referendum said 'doing a trade deal with the EU would be simplest deal imaginable' -really??

And do many quitters even know what a customs union is , and I am not being patronising but you only have to watch a selection of UK TV shows to know that most people do not have a clue about how the world works and indeed why should they, our educations system, their daily lives and an ultra right media havent informed them have they
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 15:59
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
Should there be too many children for the social system to maintain do what the left wing Socialists do: Impose a one-child policy.

It sorted China's problems for a few decades.
Simply limit child benefits to two children per wife / single mum etc, it does not need to be retrospective, simply for any future births, the system will balance out in 18 years and those with more than two now will not be unfairly penalised. Personally I would stop providing housing to unmarried mothers as a right as well.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 16:10
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
The last two threads on Brexit descended into personal insults and were closed by Mods.

On the basis of recent posts it is likely that this one may follow suit.

That would be a shame.
speaking of a "shame"

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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234
You're right of course. The EU never were, and never will, give us the sweet deal promised by Boris and company. It was always out of the question.


to quote BAengineer

"So why did Mr Tusk offer exactly that 2 years ago?

“From the very beginning, the EU offer has been not just a Canada deal, but a 'Canada plus plus plus' deal. Much further-reaching on trade, on internal security and on foreign policy cooperation. This is a true measure of respect. And this offer remains in place,” said Tusk in a prepared statement.

By "Canada plus plus plus," Tusk is referring to a souped-up free-trade agreement — like the one that the EU has with Canada but with add-ons."




Now, what was your answer again?
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 16:14
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Simply limit child benefits to two children per wife / single mum etc
As they already do, though the Supreme Court has stopped it being enforced retrospectively.

I babysit for my goddaughter, Elara. Just 18 months old but has got me twisted around her little finger.

Dad work as a chef in a council canteen, gets about £16K a year, but has to pay a fair amount for a bus pass to get there and back every day. They already had two boys, aged 13 and 10, then along came Elara, but accidents do happen.

Mum works 28 hours a week and has Elara in a nursery for as many hours as are covered and she can afford. I babysit to cover the rest. They live in a cramped mouldy council flat. They are entitled to move to a larger flat, but it could 3-5 years before one becomes available. The boys come round to my place to use my study and PC for their homework and PS4 for games after school to make a bit of room.

Personally I support a woman's right to choose, but I also don't approve of a policy which makes abortion an economic necessity.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 16:17
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we are now seeing many of the so called project fear predictions come home to roost as compaies give up on the Uk, partially for seeing us a stupid nation , if we voted for Brexit whats next.
Indeed with the stock market soaring, the pound strengthening, and things going down the hole.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 16:27
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Project Fear is far from being being proved correct. On the contrary Project Fear has actually worked, having been carefully planned and orchestrated by men at the very heart of government and the country's industry.
Back in the days when I was a boy and lived in the backwoods of Pennsylvania, we would occasionally come upon a snake in the grass. We were not particularly conservationist in those days and snake meat tastes good anyway.
Here's the transcript of the infamous Hammond telephone conversation with the UK heads of Amazon, Siemens et al

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...n-11-business/
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 16:28
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Indeed with the stock market soaring, the pound strengthening, and things going down the hole.
Yep. Things sure are good in a single market & customs union with all those goods flowing freely.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 18:23
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Project Fear is far from being being proved correct. On the contrary Project Fear has actually worked, having been carefully planned and orchestrated by men at the very heart of government and the country's industry.
https://news.sky.com/story/philips-t...rexit-11610001

Another 450 jobs gone and it is a continual drip drip process of job losses.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 18:39
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
No, the reason they are being called up is simply to invade Eire
I never quite understood why that didn't happen in WWII. The lives lost in the invasion and occupation would have been more than outweighed by those saved by having increased air cover for the north Atlantic convoys, no?
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 18:41
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Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Yep. Things sure are good in a single market & customs union with all those goods flowing freely.
I am sure you are not blinded to the fact that the pound is strengthening despite the pending exit and shares are rising despite the pending exit. At the same time production in Germany has declined.

The stock market is a trillion dollar gambling consortium; someone is betting the farm.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 18:54
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
I never quite understood why that didn't happen in WWII. The lives lost in the invasion and occupation would have been more than outweighed by those saved by having increased air cover for the north Atlantic convoys, no?
Interesting point. I would have to get maps out to check that, but the flying boat bases were in the North and I don't know if the South could have have been better. As for cutting the corner this was tacitly accepted.

Of course to deny the Germans an Atlantic base we did invade Iceland and Faroe.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 19:09
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Not sure if this has already been posted here, a long read , but interesting non the less.

brexit shambles
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