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Old 17th Jan 2019, 10:30
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My cousin who lives in Ibiza says they are looking forward to a reduction in British tourists because they are the ones vomiting in the streets. Apparently the Germans are very polite.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 10:32
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Ibiza will not relish the loss of income though
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 10:38
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So a PM loses a vote on the biggest issue in UK politics for hundreds of years by a huge margin and it is the only issue her government has dealt with and the next day she gets a vote of confidence.

It makes us look like a clown country-Mugabe could not come up with anything more ludicrous and illustrates once again that our political system is completely useless for 21st Century.

And while all thats going on our future energy infrastructure plans collapse in a heap all around us- even Trump looks good by comparison. Party before country every time- what we should do now is give all MPs a years notice that there will be an election and that no one will be allowed to stand who has any affiliation with the main two parties . That MPs can only spend 100 days a year in the commons and must spend the remaining days in their constituency although they will be allowed 30 days for fact finding/representational trips. No one with a net worth of over £4m will be allowed to stand for elected office as that money shelters you from fallout whatever f--k up you make.

Justa thought as we slide towards national mediocrity and self harm
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 10:48
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So a PM loses a vote on the biggest issue in UK politics for hundreds of years by a huge margin and it is the only issue her government has dealt with and the next day she gets a vote of confidence.
This is the Tory party propping itself up and to heck with the country. Many, if not most Tories worry that if she falls, so do the Tories, and hence possibly their seats. It's bare, unvarnished self-interest.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 10:52
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Ibiza will not relish the loss of income though
Other nationalities are available to fill the financial gap, if it even exists, and without recourse to the embarrassing sight and sound of yob heads getting wrecked for the sake of it...just to prove they are British.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 10:56
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This is the Tory party propping itself up and to heck with the country. Many, if not most Tories worry that if she falls, so do the Tories, and hence possibly their seats. It's bare, unvarnished self-interest.
Not only the Tories, but Labour also, with Corbyn childishly refusing even to speak with Mrs. May unless she removes "no deal" from the list of options which everyone knows that (at least in public) she won't / can't do. Those leaders from the SNP, PC and even the DUP who at least gave her the courtesy of attending at her invitation come out in a better light.

Personally I think Corbyn's stubbornness could work against him as there is a pool of pragmatic Labour MPs, as there are Tories too, who will in all probability form alliances that may, hopefully unblock the impasse, making him look rather silly at best, irrelevant at worst.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 10:57
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This is not my own work. It is though, as good a precis of this catastrophic multibungle as there is.

As a culture, we focus on those finely balanced moments when, against all odds, the stars align perfectly and great things are achieved. You know, Miracle on the Hudson type stuff. We tend to ignore those equally rare moments when it goes completely the other way and events and people conspire perfectly to turn everything to utter s**t.

The conspiracy of circumstances that has led us to this moment is just so wildly improbable, you could probably live multiple lifetimes and never see something like it again. It’s a unicorn riding through a blue moon on Halley’s comet. The whole show is kicked off by a Conservative PM doing what Conservative PMs never do - take wild gambles. Clue is in the title. Followed by an exercise in direct democracy, which we hardly ever do, in which a nation collectively overcomes the insanely powerful status quo bias to vote leave.With a technically decisive margin of victory that is just small enough to be psychologically and emotionally anything but decisive.



The person chosen to implement the deal didn’t actually vote for it. Instead, we get a deeply weird politician whose truncated imagination is only matched by her utter intransigence. When history called for a great conciliator it gave us Theresa May. Who then did what, until recently, Conservative PMs never do - took a wild gamble and threw away her majority, placing the whole nation in hock to the most reactionary, one-eyed, uncompromising headbangers in British politics, the DUP. Which simultaneously created an intractable problem over the Irish border that a British govt with a healthy majority would have breezed past, in that typically high-handed and dismissive way the English have always dealt with the Irish. I’m not saying this is a good thing. Meanwhile, across the chamber you have Corbyn, a leader of the opposition who refuses to lead the opposition, but can’t be removed because last time they tried they botched it so badly, they basically made him leader for life.



As all this unfolds, the EU plays its hand with the same uncompromising, dead-eyed rigidity that helped precipitate Brexit in the first place. A classic and unequal clash of homegrown pragmatism and continental ideology. There’s a reason we don’t do written constitutions. As a sidebar, this simultaneously delegitimises any and all valid criticism of the EU, kicking any chance of desperately needed reform into the longest of long grass. Don’t worry, I’m sure this won’t come back to haunt us. So an isolated rump govt negotiates a deal that cannot pass and cannot be renegotiated, in the knowledge that they cannot be replaced because the only thing worse than the current calamity is Corbyn as PM And with Parliament almost perfectly deadlocked, we’ve blundered into a situation where we’re barrelling towards a choice between civil war, economic disaster and all points in between.


The upshot is that we have with two party leaders who command nobody’s confidence but can’t be removed, fighting over a deal that nobody wants but has to be made, against a deadline that nobody can meet but everyone is insisting upon. Like I said, it’s a bloody marvel.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 11:21
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^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^

Absolutely, in a nutshel.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 11:24
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Not only the Tories, but Labour also, with Corbyn childishly refusing even to speak with Mrs. May unless she removes "no deal" from the list of options which everyone knows that (at least in public) she won't / can't do. Those leaders from the SNP, PC and even the DUP who at least gave her the courtesy of attending at her invitation come out in a better light.

Personally I think Corbyn's stubbornness could work against him as there is a pool of pragmatic Labour MPs, as there are Tories too, who will in all probability form alliances that may, hopefully unblock the impasse, making him look rather silly at best, irrelevant at worst.
The first two parties have a vested interest in getting the opportunity in attempting to influence Treeza.....however, the DUP and Arlene have never been noted for political altruism, despite a £1bn bribe, and they aren't going to start now with the rather inconvenient prospect of a "hard border " and "backstop " still very prominent .
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 11:26
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the only thing worse than the current calamity is Corbyn as PM And with Parliament almost perfectly deadlocked, we’ve blundered into a situation where we’re barrelling towards a choice between civil war, economic disaster and all points in between.
The difference between Corbyn and a no deal Brexit is that one is temporary (he'll likely be found out for the incompetent he is before too long) and will either be voted out or die at some stage; Brexit is rather more permanent and irreversible for a generation.

Much as I have absolutely no time for Corbyn, 5 years of him would be preferable to leaving the EU. Frightening thing is that we'll possibly have a double whammy!
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 11:28
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
The first two parties have a vested interest in getting the opportunity in attempting to influence Treeza.....however, the DUP and Arlene have never been noted for political altruism, despite a £1bn bribe, and they aren't going to start now with the rather inconvenient prospect of a "hard border " and "backstop " still very prominent .
But at least they turned up, to bend her ear, have their ears bent, or in all probability a combination of the both! Corbyn is just shouting from the sidelines and if anyone is after winding the clock down to no deal, thus create maximum chaos, and get him his lifelong objective - POWER, it is him. With regard to Brexit May and Corbyn are peas in a pod.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 11:52
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The big tour operators aren't reporting a significant fall in bookings to the Spanish and other EU resorts
Of course they are not, and they never do report these things right up until the point they go out of business and strand 1000's of people down route and they have to be rescued.

Its market sensitive data. And if they did then bookings would go down even more.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 12:28
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That May stays in power is utter contempt, largest defeat in history and then given a vote of confidence ffs, it is absolutely unbelievable. That is after dedicating herself two years to the problem.. two bloody years!

Suspend Article 50 (EU will likely allow if a GE is called), call a general election, get a proper government in power (of whatever persuasion) and then start again afresh as adults.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 12:30
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
So a PM loses a vote on the biggest issue in UK politics for hundreds of years by a huge margin and it is the only issue her government has dealt with and the next day she gets a vote of confidence.

It makes us look like a clown country-Mugabe could not come up with anything more ludicrous and illustrates once again that our political system is completely useless for 21st Century.

And while all thats going on our future energy infrastructure plans collapse in a heap all around us- even Trump looks good by comparison. Party before country every time- what we should do now is give all MPs a years notice that there will be an election and that no one will be allowed to stand who has any affiliation with the main two parties . That MPs can only spend 100 days a year in the commons and must spend the remaining days in their constituency although they will be allowed 30 days for fact finding/representational trips. No one with a net worth of over £4m will be allowed to stand for elected office as that money shelters you from fallout whatever f--k up you make.

Justa thought as we slide towards national mediocrity and self harm
I would go further...... 1/ No MP can stand for re-election (and serve) more than three terms..... 2/ No MP can stand without first having worked in some form of an industry bar politics for a minimum of 5 years.....3/ No MP can stand for an area without living that area for a mimimum of 10 years... 4/ If as deadlock as is the situation at the moment. ever exists again, then Parliament will be dissolved, those currently standing will not be allowed to stand at the next election and an election will be carried out.
4/ a referrendum can only be legally ran once.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 12:34
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Congratulations. You just disqualified Winston Churchill from becoming prime minister in 1940.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 12:49
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That May stays in power is utter contempt, largest defeat in history and then given a vote of confidence ffs, it is absolutely unbelievable. That is after dedicating herself two years to the problem.. two bloody years!
Allow me to explain.
The extremists of the Conservative right wing want a hard Brexit with no deals. So they voted to kill May's deal with the EU, and then voted to keep her in position as PM but powerless to do anything else until 29th March.

It's worked so far and unless Art.50 is postponed they will have been entirely successful.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 13:00
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Allow me to explain
I am well aware of the antics of the ERG and the Brexiteers, who may well in the end vote against the government in another no-confidence vote (as well the confidence and supply arrangement falling apart as Arlene and her bully boys go rogue) if they believe May will sell them out... however sustaining the status-quo does by no means guarantee a hard-brexit, both the DUP and the ERG are simply raising the stakes.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 13:38
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Re your vomiting Brit tourists Sallyann, I heard a good comment from the mouth of a Uruguyan guy I was working with yesterday !
He said you can always judge the flavour of any destination by checking the ratio of Private Jets and Ryanair Aircraft !

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Old 17th Jan 2019, 14:26
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call a general election, get a proper government in power
That worked well last time around ...
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 14:28
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The upshot is that we have with two party leaders who command nobodyís confidence but canít be removed, fighting over a deal that nobody wants but has to be made, against a deadline that nobody can meet but everyone is insisting upon. Like I said, itís a bloody marvel.
Excellent, though a tad naughty of you not to have credited the source:

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