Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Social > Jet Blast
Reload this Page >

UK Politics Hamsterwheel MkII

Jet Blast Topics that don't fit the other forums. Rules of Engagement apply.

UK Politics Hamsterwheel MkII

Old 15th Jan 2019, 22:50
  #2881 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Dundee
Posts: 1
Originally Posted by Parapunter View Post
Your wet dream is all but dead. Soz. The obvious options are no deal or 2nd vote. The PM & the leader of the opposition (Ha0 won't countenance either, so that leaves endless delay or cancellation, Thanks for playing though.
I think you'll find a majority who, if the democratic process is ursurped, will take great pleasure in disrupt the establishment and those who suck at it's teat....they that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind..
weemonkey is offline  
Old 15th Jan 2019, 22:52
  #2882 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Sunny Sussex
Posts: 778
Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
The view from the EU is that there will be no renegotiation period confirmed by chair of the German Parliament foreign affairs committee. No point in any more can kicking then is there?
Art 50 is extendible. By the way, if you believe the EU when they say they won't renegotiate, then please ask the Brextremists on here how like Oor Wullie & Cheetah where that leaves their argument that no deal either forces them back to the table because they need us etc etc.


Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
I think you'll find a majority who, if the democratic process is ursurped, will take great pleasure in disrupt the establishment and those who suck at it's teat....they that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind..
Maaate. Have you seen the demographic you're talking about?
Parapunter is offline  
Old 15th Jan 2019, 22:56
  #2883 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 16,081
Shotone, they discussed that on tv the other night basically they didn't think he could, even a referendum could take up to a year to organise, including the wording of the question, plus with the rest of it, vote on a rehash of May deal, vote of no confidence, general election, new leader of Conservative party as she said she wouldn't stand again etc and it would all have to be done in under 70 odd days, along with his fairy tale renegotiation.

and then of course there is the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, two people I feel make Labour unelectable, if they were lead by some one like Hilary Benn they might have a chance, the trouble is both parties have destroyed their credibility over this, the conservatives were to be expected as no one having to deliver the poison chalice was ever going to come out smelling of roses, however some how May has managed to make them come out of it smelling of the horseshit they are rooted in, but what are the alternatives? UKIP self imploded and the Lib Dems..... Forget it.

Last edited by NutLoose; 15th Jan 2019 at 23:32.
NutLoose is offline  
Old 15th Jan 2019, 22:57
  #2884 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: mids
Age: 54
Posts: 0
The damage has been building before this all started with zero interest rates. The pound going low has only amplified things.

Germany missing it's growth predictions by a large margin. Which were made by the same fiction writers that are predicting the UK economy to tank will create huge problems.

Several med countries looking at loosing a couple of points GDP due piss heads not visiting magaluf. The debt serviced by said piss heads will go bad with already struggling banks in the countries.

Next summer's harvest contracts up in the air still because nobody knows if there will be 20-40% tariffs slapped on them.

The longer this goes on the more damage is done.

Extension is just going to increase the damage. Nothing can progress in the EU until it's sorted one way or the other. In fact with the ecj judgement UK staying in screws things as well because it still has its veto.
tescoapp is offline  
Old 15th Jan 2019, 23:05
  #2885 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Currently within the EU
Posts: 318
Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
“Will shortly get Corbyn “. Really -how would a Corbyn government affect the process? Genuine question.
Read it again. The process, as you call it, will be over.

If it's a no deal Brexit you will shortly get Corbyn anyway
Sallyann1234 is online now  
Old 15th Jan 2019, 23:15
  #2886 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Москва/Ташкент
Age: 49
Posts: 783
The longer this goes on the more damage is done.
However it goes huge damage will be done, firstly it is by no means guaranteed that a second referendum would favour remain, and even if it did, what would happen if remain just pipped the post? It would be devastating. What if leave only reached say 30-40%, that is a huge angry minority who will believe they have been betrayed. However a second referendum went, unless you had something like 80%+ remain you'd be in deep trouble.

I honestly don't care either way as I have no axe to grind being far away (I don't like the Tories but never have though) but I can see this will not end well whatever happens. Once the cat was let out of the bag, the fate was sealed in terms of a country split, and I can't see how this can ever be repaired.
flash8 is offline  
Old 15th Jan 2019, 23:15
  #2887 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Cambridge, England, EU
Posts: 3,431
Originally Posted by flash8 View Post
Eliminate Mays red lines for a start!
No they wouldn't. The one that matters - freedom of movement, which is the difference between what used to be called "hard" and "soft" #brexit - is also a Corbyn red line. So even if the EU is lying about not negotiating any further there wouldn't be any practical difference between what May came up with and what Corbyn would come up with.
Gertrude the Wombat is offline  
Old 15th Jan 2019, 23:17
  #2888 (permalink)  
Está servira para distraerle.
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: In a perambulator.
Posts: 2
I quite agree, this government has been appalling and it deserves to be sent into oblivion; but not at the expense of allowing a Labour government a foothold.
The fear created by the prospect of a Corbyn government is an ironic reversal in the propaganda of political projects. Jeremy Corbyn is a complete nonentity under whose leadership a government will be both relatively useless and short lived, There is nothing frightening to any capitalist about Corbyn but there is plenty of worry about for the British economy when the ideologies who are using his body as a Trojan horse come to power within the first two years of any reign of his. The engine of economic and social destruction bearing down on Britain is Labour. Corbyn is the project fear front for the reality of economic and social anarchy.
cavortingcheetah is offline  
Old 15th Jan 2019, 23:18
  #2889 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Москва/Ташкент
Age: 49
Posts: 783
Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
No they wouldn't. The one that matters - freedom of movement, which is the difference between what used to be called "hard" and "soft" #brexit - is also a Corbyn red line. So even if the EU is lying about not negotiating any further there wouldn't be any practical difference between what May came up with and what Corbyn would come up with.
I stand corrected, however the freedom of movement issue has been agreed (hasn't it?) so its no longer relevant - the only (major) red line remaining being the Irish border?

The engine of economic and social destruction bearing down on Britain is Labour. Corbyn is the project fear front for the reality of economic and social anarchy.
Cavorting, may I offer you a job as a Tory Scriptwriter? with your way of words you'd be a natural...
flash8 is offline  
Old 15th Jan 2019, 23:43
  #2890 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 16,081
So you think Corbyn will be a breath of fresh air for the Country flash?

I would dread to think what the Countries finances would be like after they destroy it by rattling the magic money tree, true if you are unemployed, an unmarried mother or some other long term claimant you will be laughing all the way to the bank with your earnings passing those of most of the lower waged employed. He strikes me as a devious individual, spouting openess on election while kicking out those who's views he disagrees with, setting up momentum as his own personal force while changing the rules to upsurp opposition, more dictator than open leadership.
NutLoose is offline  
Old 15th Jan 2019, 23:43
  #2891 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Cambridge, England, EU
Posts: 3,431
Originally Posted by flash8 View Post
however the freedom of movement issue has been agreed (hasn't it?) so its no longer relevant
I haven't agreed it, and neither have millions of others, and we're not going to. It's still the most "relevant" "issue" for a very large number of people.
Gertrude the Wombat is offline  
Old 16th Jan 2019, 00:15
  #2892 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Delta of Venus
Posts: 396
Are you all familiar with the law of unintended consequences, or perhaps more accurately in this case, for most of the electorate, the law of "unseen" consequences.
Over the Xmas period, (omg spelling alert, how do I live with myself?) I was dragged along by Mrs PJ to one of those dreadful events where people are expected to "mingle".
I became engaged in jovial but socially pointless conversation with a farmer, one that would perhaps be described as an East Anglian "grain baron". A nice enough fellow on the surface, perhaps a little too keen to impress in a 1-to-1 situation though. Anyway, in conversation the inevitable "B word" cropped up . I said that I guess that farmers must be scared about losing those valuable subsidies from the EU.
His reply was "No! not at all. All the UK farmers are behind Brexit 100%"
I was surprised and inevitably asked why. His reply was... "Oh the CAP subsidies have been cut back dreadfully in recent years, we've been promised a much better deal". and he went on to explain.
So, now we see the angle the careerist politician Michael Gove is coming from. Paying farmers to "protect" the environment, and paying more than the EU used to, for doing less. That "£350 million a week for the NHS" pie is getting sliced thinner and thinner is it not? The farmers will get a big slice though, no doubt about that, their professional representatives the NFU make the likes of BALPA look like the Mother's union or the WI. Also, there are big landowners like one Charlie Windsor (not sure if I got his full name & title right) who will gain significantly with UK farming subsidies over EU ones...
A brilliant move from the UK establishment, regardless of whatever the leave deal is, concentrating power and influence back into their domain, voted for in the main by people who thought they had nothing to lose (the underclass) and the arrogant, self entitled elderly. The most bizare of alliances if ever there was one.
I'm sure there are some grammatical and /or spelling errors in the above. I have an ATPL and I used to have an AMEL, so I don't care. Spelling, quite rightly wasn't a factor with those....
Private jet is offline  
Old 16th Jan 2019, 00:33
  #2893 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Winchester
Posts: 5,382
Originally Posted by Private jet View Post
..., in conversation the inevitable "B word" cropped up . I said that I guess that farmers must be scared about losing those valuable subsidies from the EU.
His reply was "No! not at all. All the UK farmers are behind Brexit 100%"
I was surprised and inevitably asked why. His reply was... "Oh the CAP subsidies have been cut back dreadfully in recent years, we've been promised a much better deal". and he went on to explain.
So, now we see the angle the careerist politician Michael Gove is coming from. Paying farmers to "protect" the environment, and paying more than the EU used to, for doing less. That "£350 million a week for the NHS" pie is getting sliced thinner and thinner is it not? The farmers will get a big slice though, no doubt about that, their professional representatives the NFU make the likes of BALPA look like the Mother's union or the WI.
.

Sounds like your typical big farmer down the pub on Market day TBH....The big grain barons are in a slightly different industry to the likes of those farming livestock in perhaps marginal conditions so I rather doubt your arable farmer can speak with authority for all farmers...FWIW I still have family links with dairy farming and those distant family members I’m still in touch with are not that enthusiastic about Brexit......but you are correct is saying there is an expectation/hope that any EU subsidies lost will be replaced by funds from HM Gov.

https://www.nfuonline.com/news/brexi...-all-costs-uk/








wiggy is offline  
Old 16th Jan 2019, 00:42
  #2894 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Delta of Venus
Posts: 396
Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
.

Sounds like your typical big farmer down the pub on Market day TBH...I’d guess the big grain barons are in a slightly different situation to those farming livestock in marginal conditions I rather doubt he can speak for all farmers...I still have family links with dairy farming and those distant family members are not that enthusiastic about Brexit......
https://www.nfuonline.com/news/brexi...-all-costs-uk/





That's informative to know, thankyou. I only speak of my personal experience, and I'm sure you appreciate the wider issue I was trying to elucidate.
Private jet is offline  
Old 16th Jan 2019, 01:20
  #2895 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Looking for the signals square at LHR
Posts: 185
Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Ball Sir, ball.
How terribly singular.
Gipsy Queen is offline  
Old 16th Jan 2019, 06:33
  #2896 (permalink)  
Thought police antagonist
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Where I always have been...firmly in the real world
Posts: 925
Just a few words of wisdom to start the day, courtesy of JB's favourite columnist ....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...um-left-leader

Be interesting to see if Treeza starts a new fashion trend.....verdigris can be quite colourful really.
Krystal n chips is online now  
Old 16th Jan 2019, 06:43
  #2897 (permalink)  
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Peripatetic
Posts: 10,043
Polly and wisdom aren’t words usually closely associated.

The political commentators seem agreed there is no majority in the HoC for a second referendum, and following TM in chasing unobtainable majorities would not seem a sensible thing to do,

Polly and the polls may be right in saying that a majority of those who voted Labour in the 2017 election support a second referendum. But I will point out that was an election Labour lost and where their majority in many northern Brexit suppprting constituencies became paper thin, even with a close to Brexit neutral campaign. It’s those vote Labour has to reach out too, not the core vote they already have.....

Last edited by ORAC; 16th Jan 2019 at 07:21.
ORAC is offline  
Old 16th Jan 2019, 07:02
  #2898 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Europe
Posts: 86
The one and only issue that terrifies all governments in no food on the shelves, that's the doomsday scenario with open rioting on the streets.
I suspect the farming community have been promised the earth so to speak, that £350 million is being sliced rather thinly.
DroneDog is offline  
Old 16th Jan 2019, 07:36
  #2899 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Hampshire
Age: 72
Posts: 705
I don't understand this constant reference to "no food on the shelves". We live in a capitalist, business driven society. Somewhere in Europe (or elsewhere) will have food to sell. Somewhere in the UK a business will want to buy that food. One will sell to the other and no government would be stupid enough to interfere with that process.
KelvinD is offline  
Old 16th Jan 2019, 08:18
  #2900 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 1,645
Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
I don't understand this constant reference to "no food on the shelves". We live in a capitalist, business driven society. Somewhere in Europe (or elsewhere) will have food to sell. Somewhere in the UK a business will want to buy that food. One will sell to the other and no government would be stupid enough to interfere with that process.
The issue isn't so much that there won't be food, of course there will. In the most overweight nation in Europe people will want, and be prepared to pay the prices to keep their oversized bellies satisfied. The problem, if there is to be one, is logistics. Our food retail industry is very reliant on seamless transit of goods from Europe to keep stuff, ironically some of the more healthy stuff, on the shelves and this supply chain would very likely be disrupted unless, for examples, the Gendarmes were walking down the queues of waiting trucks on the A16 around and expediting trailers carrying perishable cargoes. I really can't see that happening.

I doubt there is enough chilled warehousing in the UK to enable the retail giants like Tesco to store adequate products, in a salable condition for long enough.
ATNotts is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.