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Old 15th Jan 2019, 09:54
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Labour doesn't have a Brexit policy, it has a "getting into power at any cost, and to hell with the country, and the well being of it's population" policy.
Couldn't agree more ATNotts - well said.

What grinds my gears the most is the hypocrisy of Labour's Six Tests - especially "Does it deliver the exact same benefits as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?"

Obviously chosen from the outset so as to be unachievable. It's laughable listening to the Labour politicians trying to defend this test when interviewed.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 09:57
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Copied from The Times of Katmandu.....
What nation would ever want a trade deal with a country whose parliament promised a deal to its voters in the event of an eventuality and then spent two years effectively reneging on that promise in order to almost willingly embrace a worse situation than the one that existed before the parliament promised its electorate it would abide by the result of the plebiscite, which it didn't?

Copied from Morgenstar.....
Word has it that HMS Daring, a type 45 destroyer, left Portsmouth this evening for Calais where she is rumoured to be embarking high ranking European officials who will bring to Britain a special treaty of concession from the Leader of the Twenty Seven which it is hoped will avoid the need for a last ditch all out war in the House of Commons tomorrow night. At stake is the future of Northern Ireland, a once great empire and beacon land of religious experimentation and tolerance.
Admiral Sir Philip ***** was neither at his club last night nor available for comment.
We all know that Britain is held in contempt and ridicule because of Brexit. It wasn't necessary for you to search the world's press for further evidence.

Do you actually have a serious comment to make?
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 10:44
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
I wasn't aware Labour were responsible to the implementation of Brexit, the risible negotiations and the fatuous "plan B " debacle.
No, but as a 'government in waiting' , about to table a motion of no confidence which may result in the dissolution of Parliament and a General Election, don't you think it would be interesting to have them state clearly what their policy is and how they intend to achieve it?
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 11:25
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
No, but as a 'government in waiting' , about to table a motion of no confidence which may result in the dissolution of Parliament and a General Election, don't you think it would be interesting to have them state clearly what their policy is and how they intend to achieve it?
Labours stance has, frankly, been despairing at times I have to admit and I'm really non the wiser to be frank.

However, whilst Brexit is clearly the prominent issue, and likely to remain so for several decades in the future, if indeed it ever gets fully resolved....which again I think is unlikely, of equal importance for the good of the country is the removal of Treeza and her dysfunctional collection known as a "Gov't "......certainly with regard to their social policies which verge on the draconian.

This article however, makes for an interesting read and addresses your question, in part, because thus far uncertainty is the only clear feature.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpo...icy-on-brexit/
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 11:43
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Labours stance has, frankly, been despairing at times I have to admit and I'm really non the wiser to be frank.
Good to hear you say that.
But Brexit is the only critical issue at the moment. General Elections can be called at (almost) any time and there must be one by 2022 at the latest.
Brexit must be resolved by March this year.
Any reasonable Party leader would see that Brexit takes absolute priority.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 12:08
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Good to hear you say that.
But Brexit is the only critical issue at the moment. General Elections can be called at (almost) any time and there must be one by 2022 at the latest.
Brexit must be resolved by March this year.
Any reasonable Party leader would see that Brexit takes absolute priority.
The problem that politicians these days have is that anything they say will be used against them in the future. Thus as far as Brexit is concerned, there is no point in Corbyn specifying an election policy now, as the scenario is very likely to have moved on significantly by the time any election campaign commenced. That said I share KíníCs view on Labour policy. Ironic really that Corbyn as an unconfirmed (but almost certainly) leads a heavily Remain party, while May, who voted Remain leads a largely Brexit party. No wonder itís such a mess!
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 12:30
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post


The problem that politicians these days have is that anything they say will be used against them in the future. Thus as far as Brexit is concerned, there is no point in Corbyn specifying an election policy now, as the scenario is very likely to have moved on significantly by the time any election campaign commenced. That said I share KíníCs view on Labour policy. Ironic really that Corbyn as an unconfirmed (but almost certainly) leads a heavily Remain party, while May, who voted Remain leads a largely Brexit party. No wonder itís such a mess!
I find this deeply disingenuous. An election campaign could be underway next week & enough is known about Brexit now & the EU since forever to formulate policy. Labour's sleight of hand is transparently guided by a desire to topple the government first & act second. Corbyn's only hard policy that I am aware of is to go back to Brussels & renegotiate & whether he becomes Prime Minister, El Presidente or the Grand Poobah, that is never happening in this universe.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 12:37
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
We all know that Britain is held in contempt and ridicule because of Brexit.
You certainly seem to.

"Baroness remania of sallyanne" to continue Parapunters rediculous, but also amusing, "naming" theme...
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 13:17
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
​​​​​​On the contrary, it demonstrates the thuggish nature of extreme Brexiteers.
True,but I don't think they have a monopoly.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 13:29
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
You certainly seem to.

"Baroness remania of sallyanne" to continue Parapunters rediculous, but also amusing, "naming" theme...
Ball Sir, ball.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 16:13
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I wasted a bit of time today, watching snippets of Parliament Live and it was interesting to watch. There some very eloquent speakers such as Anna Soubry, Lisa Nandy, Frank Fields etc who all made interesting points. Regardless of which "side" of this debate one is on, they all made points which were not about political point scoring and worth listening to. Well, all except the Attorney General who waffled a lot and flannelled a bit. Michael Gove made an ass of himself when he thought he could get one over the Shadow Solicitor General, interrupting his speech to claim that Labour wants a customs deal of a sort that doesn't and couldn't exist. Calling it "in other words a unicorn". HIs face was a picture when the Shadow S.G. came back with "How about Turkey? That is just the deal they currently have with the EU".
It promises to be an interesting evening!
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 16:35
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It cant be a GE next week after the first vote there is a second vote two weeks later.

Then the house goes into recess and 4 weeks later the GE.

I suspect he will call it on the 8th or 15th of Feb.

But realistically if it's a hung parliament then the 1st would be just the same out come the house won't be sitting by the 29th of march.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 16:58
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If that's for my benefit, the word election was followed by the word campaign. If and it's a big if, magic granddad makes the government fall, they'll be at it immediately. Javid started weeks ago when 25 people in rubber boats threatened our way of life.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 17:04
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Anyone who has done even a modicum of travel knows that the newspaper of Katmandu is the Post.
The Times of Katmandu is in fact written by a fast fellow in a fur coat who would rather be smoking a cigar under a tree in the African bush than belting to London in his extremely powerful MB motor car in order to be in at the end of one of the world's more benevolent empires. An empire that, having survived Arthur Scargill and his massed miserable miners, has finally brought to its end by its very own affluent middle classes.
Morgenstar is a figment of speech.
That is serious enough for one evening.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 17:20
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We shall see what happens. I reckon that he will have labour the SNP and enough pro default exit Tory's who will go for it to trigger a GE at least for the first round.

Second might be a bit more problematic. When people realise they will be basically voting for who takes over after a default exit. But I suspect there will still be enough rebel Tory's to carry it off, against rebel labour MPs who want to still have a remote chance of it not being default.

Anyway it's beginning to bite. Italian bank just had to be bailed out. Germany looking like it will go negative growth. Deutsche bank looking even more shackey than usual. QA stopping in April. Interest rates already at zero in eurozone and low banking strength after years at it. So no meat for a resession.

We don't know how bad the summer agriculture contracts are for UK imports from the EU or how the holiday bookings are. The damage has already been done. And political spouting isn't going to give an over night fix.

This is going to be alot more spectacular than I expected two years ago. But the trade wars thanks to Trump were not in the picture then.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 17:24
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If a magic wand be waved and an election tomorrow, how many of the sitting MPs would be back on Thursday? Would the selection committees confirm the present incumbents? Would the electorate also confirm the sitting MP?
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 17:33
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That's a good question there are far more exposed MPs voting against Brexit from leave areas than there is the other way round.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 18:21
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Fantastic

Great stuff ! Can Mays delusional EU led "deal", get rid of the raven crone and bring on NO DEAL at a gallop.

Even better, the treacherous shits are now fully out in the open, bring on the GE!
You give us what the majority voted for in the referendum or 17.4 million pissed off Brits will give you PM Corbyn.

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Old 15th Jan 2019, 18:28
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Rubbing people's noses in the outcome is not going to help matters post exit.

After succeeding there will be years of whinging even when it turns out all the predictions were completely and utterly wrong like they have all been so far.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 18:49
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Well. There we go then. The biggest defeat of a government since the 1920s. Mrs. May has offered a motion of no confidence in the government for tomorrow and Corbyn has accepted that. So tomorrow could be an interesting day in Parliament.
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