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Old 30th Dec 2018, 18:02
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Seemingly the government didn't want egg on their faces by contracting an EU company, so chose this bunch of jokers without a ship, without any staff, and without much money either, to run a service between Ramsgate and Oostende. As I mentioned several posting up this port has no ro-ro operation, no clearance agents and no significant HMRC presence, yet despite all that £14m is handed to Seabourne Freight (UK) Ltd - presumably not to be confused with reputable forwarders called Seabourne who have been around for many years.

You couldn't make this stuff up, and assuming that politicians aren't at the tiller (excuse the pun) of this decision, that must be in the hands of similarly incompetent civil servants, one assumes they signed it off.

Dads Army and The Navy Lark are just two of the sitcoms that come to mind. Not Yes Minister - Jim Hacker was far too competent, as was Sir Humphrey!!!!
According to Companies House filing, the company Seaborne Freight (UK) Ltd, showed in its latest Balance Sheet, a deficit of £374,275.
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 18:08
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 18:24
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Better get going and join the Pacific Pact. It came into official existence today, is economically larger, sounder and more diverse than the EU, does not include the USA and has several Commonwealth countries as its original signatories.
This would be a great shame to miss. Through Britain, the EU would have access to markets that will otherwise be closed to it.
Rather as in cancer recovery, the equivalence of which with the EU is apt, there is life, prosperity and a future waiting just hull down on the horizon..

The words clutching, straws and at come to mind.

Our principal markets are Europe and North America. We're hindering trade between ourselves and the biggest of those two, and the largest part of North America is being run presently by some sort of psychopath with whom making a deal that we can trust is pretty well impossible.

The EU meanwhile is just about to ratify their free trade agreement with Japan, far more meaningful I think you'll find than the loose arrangement, but one which we will lose on or perhaps very shortly after 29th March.
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 18:26
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Can you imagine the election campaign in that circumstance? Vince Cable says to Labour supporters "Corbyn has enabled Brexit". The resulting fall out lops ten per cent off their poll ratings. Tory Remainers see the Lib Dems pushing into the 20's and decide to add their twonpennoth. LD's hit the mid twenties and the anti Brexit bandwagon becomes unstoppable. If you thought we had chaos now...you ain't seen nothing yet!
I'm still curious why anybody believes the LD's are in for a significant upswing - they are clearly not and have actually LOST ground since the Brexit vote and barely gained any vote share since the last GE

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Old 30th Dec 2018, 18:36
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 18:37
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Originally Posted by Sprogget View Post
The UK hasn't left & it's by no means certain it will.
?? We are leaving, and you and Gertrude (and a whole host of other sore losers) will just have to "deal with it". Corbyn has deserted you, the LDs are going nowhere so what's left, Gina Miller and that ghastly Adonis bloke? It's not looking good, you've gotta admit it. The End Game beckons...
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 18:43
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
There are comparatively few Brit based drivers, Europe being a single market and the UK being part of it most of the drivers are based in central Europe - it makes sense.

The worrying thing is that there are far to few Brits wanting to do continental work - indeed there are far too few Brits who want to driver trucks at all. That will be a very big issue if HMG goes ahead with it's much vaunted new migration policy, as we'll wind up with insufficient drivers to maintain domestic logistics, let alone international work.
But the economy is goint to tank post Brexit, remember? So there'll be people queueing up to drive HGVs. Wait, actually we wont need them cos we're going to be a third world basket case. So the great news is, there wont be a problem, whichever way you look at it
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 18:49
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Originally Posted by BAengineer View Post
LibDems? - anti-brexit bandwagon?.

You are aware that when the LibDems ran on a platform of ignoring the Peoples Vote and remaining in the EU at last years General Election they lost support?
Exactly, I replied before reading your post. Where are all these millions of remain supporting Lib Dems, sorry but I just dont see them? A handful of angry zealots, a la Adonis and his "I wont rest until Brexit is reversed" mantra, but this really is not a mainstream view, regardless how many times Sprog and Gertrude repeat the view on this forum. End game time....
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 18:54
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I see mega cosmic brain is turning again, with an attempt to persuade people electorates are homogeneous masses, who vote across 650 constituencies purely on single issues. Keep 'em coming Gerard, they're hilarious.
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 19:00
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Originally Posted by andrewn View Post
But the economy is goint to tank post Brexit, remember? So there'll be people queueing up to drive HGVs. Wait, actually we wont need them cos we're going to be a third world basket case. So the great news is, there wont be a problem, whichever way you look at it
Third world basket cases still need truck drivers, and the hauliers to employ them. The shear incompetence of this government (and I say that as someone who often votes Tory) will pretty well ensure the basket case status, and also the bankruptcy of the hauliers we'll still need.
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 19:05
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Third world basket cases still need truck drivers, and the hauliers to employ them. The shear incompetence of this government (and I say that as someone who often votes Tory) will pretty well ensure the basket case status, and also the bankruptcy of the hauliers we'll still need.
Maybe fon't feed the troll. Someone tragic enough to spend their day goading strangers on the internet is clearly looking for a reaction.
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 19:08
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Originally Posted by Sprogget View Post
I see mega cosmic brain is turning again, with an attempt to persuade people electorates are homogeneous masses, who vote across 650 constituencies purely on single issues. Keep 'em coming Gerard, they're hilarious.
It's definitely coming, make no mistake

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Old 30th Dec 2018, 19:13
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Originally Posted by Sprogget View Post
Maybe fon't feed the troll. Someone tragic enough to spend their day goading strangers on the internet is clearly looking for a reaction.
Not really Sprog - I just LOVE highlighting the perverse logic of the remainer arguments:
  • The economy's gonna tank, help what we gonna do?
  • But there'll be no migrants to feed our ever growing economy, help, what we gonna do?
  • But you don't need the migrants, cos the economy's tanked, right?
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 19:26
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Seemingly the government didn't want egg on their faces by contracting an EU company, so chose this bunch of jokers without a ship, without any staff, and without much money either, to run a service between Ramsgate and Oostende. As I mentioned several posting up this port has no ro-ro operation, no clearance agents and no significant HMRC presence, yet despite all that £14m is handed to Seabourne Freight (UK) Ltd - presumably not to be confused with reputable forwarders called Seabourne who have been around for many years.
The Ramsgate - Ostend ferry service ran for many years and was in service up until 2013 so unless they have redeveloped the ports significantly there is no real reason why it couldn't restart operations fairly rapidly. I would suspect that the major obstacle at the moment was availability of ships but then if Dover - Calais is gridlocked they would have spare shipping capacity.
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 19:43
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Originally Posted by BAengineer View Post
The Ramsgate - Ostend ferry service ran for many years and was in service up until 2013 so unless they have redeveloped the ports significantly there is no real reason why it couldn't restart operations fairly rapidly. I would suspect that the major obstacle at the moment was availability of ships but then if Dover - Calais is gridlocked they would have spare shipping capacity.
Except that the Dover ships won't fit in Ramsgate.
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 19:58
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Since Japan is going to resume commercial whaling, the UK is leaving the EU just in time to avoid THAT trade deal with Japan. Perhaps all the remainers are happy to condone the murder of these beautiful animals?
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 20:16
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Originally Posted by andrewn View Post
?? We are leaving, and you and Gertrude (and a whole host of other sore losers) will just have to "deal with it". Corbyn has deserted you, the LDs are going nowhere so what's left, Gina Miller and that ghastly Adonis bloke? It's not looking good, you've gotta admit it. The End Game beckons...
Well, if we do leave, at least you won't hear us moaning about it for forty years as the losers did last time around.

Because it won't take that long to re-join.

But you will have to put up with #brexit remaining in the news all day every day until we have actually rejoined.
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 20:34
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Big brain: This will drag on for years
Mega brain: CETA took ten years & nearly failed on the last lap
Cosmic Brexiteer brain: March 29th VICTORY DAY.
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 20:49
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On a balanced and statistical analysis of time and motion, if it's taken this long for the country to get to its present position and if it ever does really depart the EU, the latter will have become a pile of cosmic dust before a British parliament, Commons and Lords, could ever become sufficiently organised so as to rejoin.
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 20:50
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Everyone is still faffing around, there won't be another Referendum and May's "Deal" is, hardly surprisingly, unacceptable to most.
Can't blame the Europeans, they were not happy with the Referendum or the UK leaving. We've run out of time now.

By default It'll be a hard Brexit, which is going to be brutal and very very expensive for everyone, except the politicians.

I never thought I'd see the day...

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