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Old 27th Dec 2018, 11:43
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André Spicer is professor of organisational behaviour at the Cass Business School at City, University of London. He is the author of the book Business Bullshit
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 12:58
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Our overlords excel at the creation of massive blunders
Rather odd story for the Guardian to be running considering that they spend every day calling for the Government to do more and regulate more of our lives.....
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 14:13
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Rather odd story for the Guardian to be running considering that they spend every day calling for the Government to do more and regulate more of our lives.....
It's called sardonic humour.....

Anyway, now we know what Treeza's next job will be.....based on that article, move over Nigella, here's Treeza with her famed fudge recipes !
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 16:14
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The continued existence of the Grauniad is a real puzzle. Written by Trot/Pinko millionaires from their flash pads in Primrose Hill, and aimed at teachers and social workers, it is a mystery of survival in a capitalistic world. And many of its writers want to bring down Capitalism. Who would employ them then?
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 17:26
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https://www.ft.com/content/60bb9ddc-...0-30ea79c2a1d0
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 17:44
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"Eurosceptics said the Irish prime minister’s comments showed the backstop — the most controversial element of Britain’s withdrawal treaty — would not be needed if the UK did not deviate from the EU’s customs and regulatory regime"

Loving how to Brexmentalists, this (throwaway comment) from Varadker is proffered like some form of vindication but anyone else not in hock to the madness looks at a 40bn bill, a massive reduction in citizens rights, a disastrous loss of influence over European neighbours in return for no NI border, provided we behave exactly as if we'd never left. What was the point of this again?
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 18:09
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These mainstream rags with there paywalls eh?, makes me laugh...They should be paying me to read that rubbish
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 21:45
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This is probably as close as the Queen is allowed to get in expressing a politically tilted opinion. There can be little doubt that this excerpt from her recent speech is both a rebuke for the arrogant and self abasing behaviour by the two sides of the EU/UK negotiation cadres as well as being a most sensible suggestion as to a most satisfactory alternative.


'In April, the Commonwealth Heads of Government met in London. My father welcomed just eight countries to the first such meeting in 1948. Now the Commonwealth includes 53 countries with 2.4 billion people, a third of the world's population.

'Its strength lies in the bonds of affection it promotes, and a common desire to live in a better, more peaceful world. Even with the most deeply held differences, treating the other person with respect and as a fellow human being is always a good first step towards greater understanding.

'Indeed, the Commonwealth Games, held this year on Australia's Gold Coast, are known universally as the Friendly Games because of their emphasis on goodwill and mutual respect.
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 22:11
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BBC covered itself in glory tonight. 10 pm news, finger always on the global pulse, headline? Car park charges going up at hospitals. Then some copper saying security could be degraded if we don't take any measures to address possible consequences of brexit. Who would have thought. Just as well she pointed that out.
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 23:47
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Originally Posted by Sprogget View Post
"Eurosceptics said the Irish prime minister’s comments showed the backstop — the most controversial element of Britain’s withdrawal treaty — would not be needed if the UK did not deviate from the EU’s customs and regulatory regime"

Loving how to Brexmentalists, this (throwaway comment) from Varadker is proffered like some form of vindication but anyone else not in hock to the madness looks at a 40bn bill, a massive reduction in citizens rights, a disastrous loss of influence over European neighbours in return for no NI border, provided we behave exactly as if we'd never left. What was the point of this again?
OK = let's take these points in order:
The $40bn is not a given. Although I have to admit the probability of the stupid woman parting with it for no demonstrable gain but this has nothing to do with the validity of the Leave cause.
What makes you suppose that there will be a massive reduction in civil rights? This is on an intellectual par with the rest of the Remainers' silly Fearmongering.
And as for a disastrous loss of influence over European neighbours, oh, very droll! We never had any to begin with. The UK people have never been regarded as anything other than very luke-warm and largely uncommitted Europeans, being tolerated only because our financial contributions are necessary to supporting the grandiose, undemocratic, inefficient and, I suspect, corrupt edifice which is the EU. The whole wretched enterprise has been concocted for the exclusive benefit of Germany and France but these two now have been rumbled by the southern nations and discord is increasing. Even France, despite the boy wonder Macron's toadying to the institution, is beginning to realise that for the fourth time since the Franco-Prussian humiliation of 1870, has been shafted by the Germans and I suspect this realisation has been dawning on the hi-viz protesters.

Of course, it suits the Remainers to spread as much despondence as possible but perhaps you should look behind the headlines fed mostly by the political classes and those they dupe and discover something of the widespread preparations being made by so many sections of commerce and sensible people for a different outcome. Quietly, those so despised by the elite are getting on with things whilst ignoring the self-important posturings of the so-called statesmen. It is the Leave faction which has prevailed. Their case already has been stated and adopted as the will of the electorate; it is for holders of opposing views to demonstrate the probity of their positions and it is from the paucity of cogent argument that the only retort seems to be Project Fear. Very constructive!
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 07:48
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Another view on the subject:

https://brexitcentral.com/riposte-pr...ted-economist/
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 08:09
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Another view on the subject
That’s rather debatable.....

Anyhow, must dash as to use the vernacular I must be
getting on with things
such because of project reality, rather than project fear, I need to get on with organising paperwork for a family member’s change of nationality.

I certainly don’t have time ATM to share with you interesting discusson I had over Christmas about the movement of sizable number U.K. financial jobs from London to offices in one of our adjacent departmental capitals...

l have to say if “ getting on with things” for U.K. PLC means exporting even more of the financial sector there might just after all turn out to be a silver lining in all this and there might actually be some good news for at least some in my family - please do carry on with the preparations..





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Old 28th Dec 2018, 08:30
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A militant remainer, Laurence Hazlewood, has suggested on Twitter that all Brexit supporters should be killed. He calls his campaign " Moral cleansing".

He probably enjoys posing in front of a mirror in his Hugo Boss uniform.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 08:36
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He should be careful, the idea might catch.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 09:14
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OK GQ, let's take your post in turn then.

The divorce bill is a settling of accounts. I expect you know this but tack on the stupid woman jibe because angry misogynist but what do I know? Nevertheless, the leaver trope we could ignore it as put about by Brexmentalists I mentioned above such as Rees-Mogg & co. is an option but only if we shaft the country by leaving with no deal or set out to be a pariah state with our neighbours. Hobson's choice to all but the least thinking elements of society.

On civil rights, Brexit,so enthusiastically embraced by people with no interest in Europe have succeeded in presiding over the loss of freedom of movement for 1.5m Britons & 3.5m Europeans living here. And only yesterday, we saw the Home office announce EU citizens and their families will have apply to continue living in the UK after 2020 despite the exact reverse being promised by leave campaigners and for that matter, Theresa May. That is a demolition of civil rights the likes of which have not been seen since the second world war. I am reminded that a lie is halfway round the world before the truth has it's boots on. And you have the temerity to call this intellectual sub par fear mongering. Shame on you,

Moving on " And as for a disastrous loss of influence over European neighbours, oh, very droll! We never had any to begin with " I'm going to ignore the tedious worn out ranting about foreigners, our money, the bizarre invocation of Franco - Prussian wars from 150 years ago & undemocratic wonkery, It's as boring as it is untrue. You won't have the slightest interest in the facts of our influence in the democratic process in Brussels. Far easier to lap up the lies served directly to and targeted to the credulous & angry like you.

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts...-uk-influence/



Inconvenient. I note you pin the sclerotic economics of southern Europe on the EU, overlooking as so many of you lot do, the rampant corruption dogging Greece for decades & the disastrous populist administration in Italy that along with it's catastrophic Target 2 machinations has brought the country into direct conflict with (but not caused by) the EU, An administration I strongly suspect people who like simple answers to complex problems rather admire.

And there lies the key point, You tell me I like to spread despondence as if that - even if so - has some kind of effect on the political process instead of being a random on a website, whereas the truth is people like me, actual patriots, look at facts, figures, evidence & conclude there is no upside to be found anywhere beyond crackpots like Patrick Minford. Not from industry, not from the civil service, not from financial institutions, nowhere. Yet in the end, you betray yourself by referring to 'the elite' & cast yourself as one of those quietly opposing 'them'. It's always a dead giveaway when this happens, you've been duped by the Farages of this world (Not, somehow one of the 'elites' you hate despite a career in the city, twenty years a professional politician & seven failed attempts to get into Westminster) who identify you as an angry man, give you a handful of simple slogans to chant, without ever requiring you to explain what they actually mean and a bogus version of reality to support your view of the world. Can't see a Doctor? That's the Romanian's fault, guv.

You cannot see that these people have treated you as stupid, hate filled & gullible while simultaneously helping you to blame all your problems on others, most notably the 'elites' you specifically refer to. And they LOVE you for playing along.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 09:32
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
A militant remainer, Laurence Hazlewood, has suggested on Twitter that all Brexit supporters should be killed. He calls his campaign " Moral cleansing".

He probably enjoys posing in front of a mirror in his Hugo Boss uniform.
I enjoyed the cartoon you posted this morning.
It seems to have considerable resonance with the current direction of the UK.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 10:07
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The divorce bill is a settling of accounts. I expect you know this
Setting the £39bn against our net contribution of £9bn/pa it is clear we are not settling accounts but required to meet prior budget commitments.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 11:20
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Brexit is causing some amazing unintended consequences. MrsEM actually said semi seriously that she is giving up being a blood donor and ditching her donor card in case any recipient is a Brexiteer. Oddly she accepted my abstention at the time.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 12:37
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In 1642 a war broke out between what were, on the whole, a jolly bunch of fellows, much given to carousing and believing in the monarchy, divine rights and probably fox hunting too. They were opposed by a gangrenous bunch of sombre clothed, dogma ridden zealots who didn't at all like tradition, thought rather ill of their country and knew with an unswerving certainty that what they knew to be right, righteous and reasonable was, just so! They liked burning anyone they thought was a witch too.
This was the start of the last English Civil War.
It ended, more or less, nine years later, with an executed monarch and a miserable, downtrodden country that had to spend the next twenty years or so learning all over again how to make Christmas pudding and mulled wine flavoured with Nellie's Oranges and stirred just right with a dash of pragmatic popery.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 15:02
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Maybe better then not to let that particular genie out of the bottle...oh hang on...
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