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Old 11th Oct 2018, 10:34
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Jamal Khashoggi....so what happened then??

....So.....goes into the embassy...never comes out.....(well not under his own steam...it would seem)
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Old 11th Oct 2018, 14:34
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Maybe he decided to go on a bender with his Saudi fellow countrymen and is just missing in a selection of Turkish bars.

Probably not but better than thinking of a 15 man Saudi hit squad -(15? - really?) with their own bone saw and State Sponsored Assassination.

More important is what will happen now?

Erdogan has made the outraged sounds and so has Donald (ever notice how often he sits there answering questions with his arms tightly - I mean "tightly" crossed against his chest? Body language aficionados know all about that - Donnie apparently doesn't)).
Saudi Arabia has officially said - he left, we dunno what happened to him.
Didn't think my opinion of the place and their culture could be any lower.

What will the world do?

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Old 11th Oct 2018, 15:08
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What will the world do?
Blame Putin
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Well, if the allegations turn out to be true, the logical response to state assassination would be sanctions against the Saudi regime and a boycott of oil purchases.

Except... I really don't think that's going to happen. Do you???

My guess is the final report will get filed in the same place as the BAe Bribery Scandal.

Plus ca change....
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Old 11th Oct 2018, 16:32
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Saudis discussed plan to lure Jamal Khashoggi to Saudi Arabia, US intercepts show
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Old 11th Oct 2018, 16:36
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Putin & Skripal = Mohammed bin Salman & Kashoggi

Have to say Putin is well ahead in the deniability department
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Skripal versus Khashoggi. Yes, point taken but both massively outside the bounds of civilised norms and one doesnít excuse the other. Itís important we get to the bottom of what happened at the consulate; how about the alleged hitsquad get the Bellingcat treatment?
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So this chap goes into his Consular office and is not seen or heard of again. The local coppers are invited to go and have a quick look see in broom cupboards and loos and come out empty handed. Their bosses say sorry he is not hiding in there. But what about CCTV, don`t the Saudi`s have any of those around. What about this chap`s mobile phone, didn`t he have one of those all singing dancing ones that can be traced even if you happen to have lost your way and ended up in Mars.
Down the hill from the consulate, it is only a short distance to the dark depths of the Bosphorous and its strong currents.
Turn left out of the consulate and not too far away perhaps they are still busy pouring lots of concrete for the new airport.
With all that wizzo equipment on board and on the ground not a trace of MH370, what chance of finding one solitary bloke who happened to walk into the Suadi version of the Tardis.
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Old 11th Oct 2018, 20:03
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All of the CCTV that might have given a clue (though probably not) seems to have disappeared, by all accounts.

Even more sinister is the unconfirmed report that on the day Khashoggi was due to visit the embassy, all the locally-employed Turkish staff were given the day off.
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According to some anonymous Turkish sources, cited here in the German papers, the unfortunate Mr. Khashoggi was promptly shot to death inside the Saudi consulate, cut up into pieces and bagged, and then hauled off in that black Vito he was shown walking past on his way into the consulate, with his remains having been taken first to the consul's residence not far away. (Not in the accounts is what happened after that, but a good guess might be onward transport in diplomatic bags to Saudi on one of those Gulfstreams.)

That was a pretty startling account of what happened, and a rather exact one, so that you have to wonder how much the Turks really know about what happened.

For now it seems clear that the man went into but did not walk back out of the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, but it is hard to believe that the Saudis would kill him out of hand on Turkish soil. (An embassy or consulate is diplomatically immune from intrusion or search under most circumstances, but it's not some sort of mini-state, foreign soil inside another country.)
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Old 11th Oct 2018, 21:41
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but it's not some sort of mini-state, foreign soil inside another country

Apparently the Saudi's think differently and if it went like it is shaping to have occurred, it worked for them up to the point of all the awkward questions.
So now they will just lie and deny. No video, no body, no witnesses. Unless someone can crack one of the hit squad or embassy staff.
Now that would be fun.
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There are reports the Turkish authorities checked the bags of the Saudis departing that day. Perhaps the remains could be shipped in diplomatic bags, but the Turkish authorities may refuse to allow any shipments until Kashoggi turns up. The ambassador's residence may need a large freezer. Was one recently purchased?

The Mossad would have arranged for a hit in an anonymous location, and a quiet burial or cremation handled by a complicit funeral home as happened to at least one operative in the Munich massacre.
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WAPO reporting there is audio and video of the interrogation, torture and murder..
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But don't forget guys, the new leader of Saudi is a "moderate", we still have to sell them guns, buy their oil, support their regional policies and say absolutely nothing about any bad things they may have done, this event being the tip of the iceberg:

Saudi Arabia's crown prince promises to lead his country 'back to moderate Islam'
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There are reports the Turkish authorities checked the bags of the Saudis departing that day. Perhaps the remains could be shipped in diplomatic bags, but the Turkish authorities may refuse to allow any shipments until Kashoggi turns up. The ambassador's residence may need a large freezer. Was one recently purchased?

The Mossad would have arranged for a hit in an anonymous location, and a quiet burial or cremation handled by a complicit funeral home as happened to at least one operative in the Munich massacre.
Would that be the same Keystone Cops Mossad who killed the wrong guy in Lillehammer, got caught by the most ineffiencient police in the world, and where one of the killers married her defence lawyer. That Mossad?
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Your opinion of Mossad's effectiveness is based on that one incident?
I can think of many more organizations who use the Keystone Cops playbook.
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But don't forget guys, the new leader of Saudi is a "moderate", we still have to sell them guns, buy their oil, support their regional policies and say absolutely nothing about any bad things they may have done.......
I donít disagree with what youíre saying in general, but (at risk of going off topic) the same could be said of Vladimir Putin. Yet there are a number of PPRuNeírs who strongly support Putin on the grounds that heís a force for stability and that a country like Russia needs an authoritarian strongman to keep a lid on what would otherwise be a chaotic country. I donít necessarily endorse MBS, but it could be argued that he is similar in some respects to Bad Vlad. For the record, I have little doubt that serious harm has come to Jamal Khashoggi, almost certainly at the hands of his own countrymen. And the Saudiís ought to be robustly challenged about his fate. But goodness thereís some double standards in evidence.
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Old 12th Oct 2018, 10:33
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Your opinion of Mossad's effectiveness is based on that one incident?
I can think of many more organizations who use the Keystone Cops playbook.
Yes it is, why not? And calling cold blooded murder of innocent civilians by state terrorists an "incident"? Which playbook other organizations play by outside my country I frankly don't care much about.
I will however give them credit for not invading us in order to kill, or catch just a single person.
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Collateral damage ....

We once had agents of the Chilean secret police, DINA, come to Washington, D.C. to blow up his car and kill Chilean dissident Orlando Letelier, when they also killed a US citizen, Ronni Moffitt. We did not go as deeply into who was behind this assassination as we easily could have. In fact, just before this we had decided for political reasons not to protest strongly against General Pinochet's campaign of murder against Chilean dissidents living abroad, when it was he who then ordered the bombing.

With this one it seems for now as if Saudi purchases of $110 billion worth of US arms will lead Trump to merely give MBS as light rap over the knuckles, nothing more, particularly since the man killed was merely living in the USA as a non-citizen under our protection.
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And....he was a reporter.......and a Washington Post reporter ...................and therefore an "enemy of the people".
I've heard many dictators around the world just love many of Trump's sound bites and have adopted them.
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