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Old 1st Oct 2018, 12:53
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I had a session booked with a clairvoyant but she called and cancelled due to "unforeseen circumstances".
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 13:01
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Originally Posted by Bee Rexit View Post
I had a session booked with a clairvoyant but she called and cancelled due to "unforeseen circumstances".
She knew you were tight with paying ..............
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 13:07
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Should the title not rather be "Media"?

I agree with Dan.
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 17:26
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
I can concur with your first paragraph. This instinct, has, generally served me well over the years.

There again, I've never made any secret of the fact I believe only the body dies, the spirit and soul remain . Far too many encounters with what is termed, and invariably dismissed by those who prefer to think science as we know it can provide all the answers, the paranormal

The above being totally separate from those who seem to have had an amazing number of bizarre coincidences in their life.

My partner has visited mediums and found them to be more than accurate when describing events in her life.....without any prior knowledge or attempts to elicit information.
When I saw the title of the thread I feared the worst! However I’m pleasantly surprised at the number of reasonable replies the thread has received. I find that as long as you don’t talk about a ‘religious god’ that you don’t get into heavy automatic responses, but that people are much more open to all sorts of things.

I’ve no personal experience of mediums giving me information that I found useful, but I have certainly heard from people who have.

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Old 18th Oct 2018, 18:49
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My dear lady friend paid for 2 tickets to see a medium at a theatre.
This particular man bounced onto the stage and was full of himself, I immediately took a dislike to him.
However, some of the details he came out with to people in the audience were very impressive.How do they do this?
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 19:01
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AH, ringers?

On a cruise saw a professional pick pocket. He took this man's wristwatch on the way to the stage. It is not easy to undo some watches. He removed a man's shirt while he still wore his jacket. How?
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 21:17
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
AH, ringers?

On a cruise saw a professional pick pocket. He took this man's wristwatch on the way to the stage. It is not easy to undo some watches. He removed a man's shirt while he still wore his jacket. How?
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Ringers again. Pick someone with a watch easily removed, and it is possible to put a shirt on under a jacket in a way so it looks normal but is really almost off - remember seeing it in a child's magic book. All you need is the front and the cuffs to show.
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 23:14
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SWMBO and her friend suggested that I went along with them to see a chap in a large conference room
at a local Holiday Inn hotel. We sat at the back well out of the way and within 2 minutes he zeroed in on
me and told everyone things about my Father that I had not even told SWMBO.

Perhaps I give off some signals as I now fully admit to have seen strange unexplained lights in the night sky.
I no longer call them U.F.O.'s even though they are as a few moronic people instantly think of little green men.
Why they think that I can't grasp but in the end I know what I have seen and they weren't with me so they have
no idea.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 00:28
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Couldn't meet someone as he had changed plans and would be in town. On the way home I was on the wrong platform. Train came in, door opened, out came my friend.
That is a common instance of why some people attach significance to events such as you describe. What you have to factor in is the hundreds of times you have been waiting for a train and a friend hasn't come out. Statisticians will tell you there is no significance in events such as these which are bound to happen from time to time
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 10:17
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Originally Posted by arthur harbrow View Post
My dear lady friend paid for 2 tickets to see a medium at a theatre.
This particular man bounced onto the stage and was full of himself, I immediately took a dislike to him.
However, some of the details he came out with to people in the audience were very impressive.How do they do this?
Two main tools:

1. The Barnum effect
2. Cheating - various well documented methods

I have a friend who does a stunningly impressive palm reading. I have watched her amaze and horrify people by the accuracy of her readings. At the end she says - of course its all trickery. The response in her victims is very interesting. If they have been taken-in by the fake reading, they will never just laugh it off, they will always want to talk about how amazing it was and tell her that she must have some real hidden power.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 10:32
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James Randi used to make a thing of replicating many of the charlatan Uri Geller's feats of "magic", before then informing the participants that it had all been done by trickery. Many became almost aggressive, insisting that Randi must have psychic powers. I understand that a prize of $10,000 or some such sum which Randi offered to anyone who could perform one of Geller's tricks under carefully controlled conditions was never paid out
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 10:45
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
That is a common instance of why some people attach significance to events such as you describe. What you have to factor in is the hundreds of times you have been waiting for a train and a friend hasn't come out. Statisticians will tell you there is no significance in events such as these which are bound to happen from time to time
I can't argue against that but it was an incredible number of pieces of Swiss cheese to align.

The only ESP aspect, I would possibly believe, is that I went to the wrong platform and stood at that particular spot. Ideally we should also know what prompted my friend to choose that train at that time and that carriage.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 10:56
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Originally Posted by arthur harbrow View Post
My dear lady friend paid for 2 tickets to see a medium at a theatre.
This particular man bounced onto the stage and was full of himself, I immediately took a dislike to him.
However, some of the details he came out with to people in the audience were very impressive.How do they do this?
Arthur - it's a well-known technique; the cold read.


Many years ago, and this is online somewhere, I used the technique of cold reading to provide someone with an astrological reading. That person thought my reading was accurate and professional astrologers said my reading was indistinguishable from one given by a professional astrologer.

I urge everyone to think more critically and not just resort to believing that something you may not be able to explain has to be due to some mysterious power. It's so much easier to understand things as your brain or someone else trying to fool you.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 11:31
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It’s interesting how many of you appear to worship at the altar of James Randi, if he was an honourable man, I might understand this. He was a self-confessed charlatan.

James Randi Reneges on the Randi Prize » Skeptical About Skeptics
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 12:02
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It’s interesting how many of you appear to worship at the altar of James Randi, if he was an honourable man, I might understand this. He was a self-confessed charlatan.
Randi wasn't a charlatan, that's a claim that many have made but mostly from those he caught out. And it's not worship, it's a claim made by those who hated his ability to show how the real charlatans, those claiming psychic powers, made their money. He was careful to always call himself an illusionist rather than a magician as he never used magic. He also never gave away the tricks genuine illusionists used. But he was more than happy to expose the methods used by the real charlatans - those that would take money from their innocent and gullible victims by dishonestly tricking them.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 13:11
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Originally Posted by Hokulea View Post
Randi wasn't a charlatan, that's a claim that many have made but mostly from those he caught out. And it's not worship, it's a claim made by those who hated his ability to show how the real charlatans, those claiming psychic powers, made their money. He was careful to always call himself an illusionist rather than a magician as he never used magic. He also never gave away the tricks genuine illusionists used. But he was more than happy to expose the methods used by the real charlatans - those that would take money from their innocent and gullible victims by dishonestly tricking them.
I watched a documentary about Randi and he was definitely an interesting person, but I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him.

“One better known complainant was Dr Rupert Sheldrake, the Cambridge biologist whose controversial idea of morphic resonance allows for the theoretical existence of ESP. To test his notion, Sheldrake ran a number of studies on a dog that seemed to know when its owner was coming home.

Following a burst of publicity for Sheldrake, Randi told a journalist, “We at JREF have tested these claims. They fail.” But when I met Sheldrake, at his Hampstead home, he made a serious charge. “Randi’s a liar and a cheat,” he said. “When I asked him for the data, he had to admit he hadn’t done any tests.””

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...debunkers.html
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 16:19
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I never considered 'Mediums' as being anything more than a fun fair attraction under the guise of 'Gipsy Rose Lee'.

Until I met my current wife.

She has regularly had readings over the years and visits them particularly in times of stress and crisis.

The first time I was mentioned in a reading was some six months before my wife and I met.

My wife was told that she would 'meet a Virgo in Scotland within the next year'. My wife had never visited Scotland, had no intention to and knew no one there.

In January 2006 I took a job flying out of Edinburgh - I met my wife on an internet dating site shortly afterwards. Needless to say I am a Virgo and my wife came to visit me in Scotland.

Other unexplained readings have resulted since over the past twelve years.

Mediums never tell you bad news.

How much does all this cost?

Nothing if you go to a genuine Medium in many cases - all some ask is a donation to charity because they believe their 'gift' is a blessing to be shared.

There are different 'levels' of Medium, depending on their insight, I have been told. My wife has tried several ladies over the years. I've never heard of male Mediums interestingly.

Do I believe? - well I find it all very interesting, but because it is impossible to explain I find it all hard to reconcile. There is no disputing the 'readings'. Everything from birth to death and most things in between have been revealed to my wife - most have come true.

Most 'Mediums' allow you to record the proceedings and it has been interesting listening to some of the words.

My wife doesn't tell me everything though and some things I wish my wife had never been told ... !!!

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Old 20th Oct 2018, 00:28
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It is all cold reading with a bit of coincidence thrown in.
Was your wife ever told she would meet a Taurus in Manchester or a Scorpio in Bristol?
People only latch on to the stuff that comes true or fits their view. They ignore all the guff.
Clairvoyants don't win the lottery for the same reason faith healers don't work in hospitals.
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 08:49
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Interesting post Slow and Curious
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 11:04
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23 people. In a room of just 23 people there’s a 50-50 chance of two people having the same birthday. In a room of 75 there’s a 99.9% chance of two people matching. See: https://betterexplained.com/articles...thday-paradox/

See also Michael Schermer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Pe...e_Weird_Things and

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