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Old 19th Sep 2018, 23:16
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Is it still philanthropy

Lady Kitty Spencer to feature at Telethon weekend
“I love the philanthropic work that I do, and particularly the fact that the charities that I’m involved with all focus on the next generation in different ways, from support for military families, to youth homelessness or children’s rights and education,” she said.
My question : Is it still philanthropy if you're being paid to do it?
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 23:38
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Is it still charity work if you are a paid employee of the charity? - especially if your activity attracts income for said charity?
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The moral definition of philanthropy is related to very high net worth individuals giving away large amounts of money and time to charity.

Someone famous being paid to 'advertise' a charity in the hope that the charity will gain more money is not philanthropy; it is business, unless the fee is returned. For example: a famous person is asked to be the keynote speaker at a charitable dinner with the aim of the dinner to raise funds. If the speaker donates their fee back (or waives it) then that is charity. If they keep it, it's business.

Presumably Kitty Spencer doesn't need the money, so I hope she is doing it for free,
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Is she one of those Spencers?
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Oh yes. More money than the Windsors and they claimed a better pedigree when Diana married Charles.
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I could be wrong of course, but I doubt very much that she is doing it for free.

Maybe it's just the cynic in me.
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We can only hope her attendance at this event will not be marred by a rather unfortunate navigational error which resulted in her, and other family members, being transported North, rather than South, to Stamford Bridge. True, she wasn't driving, a minion had been hired for this task, but, erm, even as a passenger you might thunk she would have noticed there was a conspicuous lack of road signs marked........".London xx miles." and the journey was taking just a shade longer than would be expected
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Terry Wogan got £1300 per hour for fronting Children in need.
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Terry Wogan got £1300 per hour for fronting Children in need.
Incorrect, Wogan did it for free, but his syrup refused to waive it's fee.
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K&C: Nothing wrong with heading north to Stamford Bridge. Wasn't that the place where King Harold had to give the Danes a snotting before walking back down to Hastings to meet Billy Le Frog?
Unless of course it refers to the village just outside Chester!
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Some of the biggest donors to charity are wealthy Americans, the tax framework in the US allows charity donations to be offset against revenue. Consequently, the loss to the public purse is carried by the ordinary tax paying public. Having said that, if charities relied on people like me for incredibly generous donations, they would be very quickly out of pocket.

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We can only hope her attendance at this event will not be marred by a rather unfortunate navigational error which resulted in her, and other family members, being transported North, rather than South, to Stamford Bridge.
I remember at the time somebody commented that they were lucky that the match wasn't being played at The Emirates stadium. Also remember the Turkish lorry driver who arrived at Gibraltar Point in Lincs and was puzzled by the absence of the bloody big rock he was expecting!

Flipping satnavs!
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Somehow I am reminded of the Gilbert and Sullivan operetta 'The Gondoliers'.

"At charity dinners, the best of speech spinners, I get ten per cent of the takings"
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
I remember at the time somebody commented that they were lucky that the match wasn't being played at The Emirates stadium. Also remember the Turkish lorry driver who arrived at Gibraltar Point in Lincs and was puzzled by the absence of the bloody big rock he was expecting!

Flipping satnavs!
Is that in your professional opinion then ?......;
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Just for the record, the Telethon mentioned in my original post is the one in Perth, Western Australia.

For example: a famous person is asked to be the keynote speaker at a charitable dinner with the aim of the dinner to raise funds. If the speaker donates their fee back (or waives it) then that is charity. If they keep it, it's business.
If there is a fee at all, then it was never going to be charitable works.
Refusing a fee in the first place would be charitable, possibly even philanthropic provided ......
......donates their fee AND EXPENSES?? back (or waives it) then that is charity.
Otherwise, that person has given nothing, but has scored an all expenses paid holiday in Australia in spring.
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 16:54
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
Just for the record, the Telethon mentioned in my original post is the one in Perth, Western Australia.



If there is a fee at all, then it was never going to be charitable works.
Refusing a fee in the first place would be charitable, possibly even philanthropic provided ......
......donates their fee AND EXPENSES?? back (or waives it) then that is charity.
Otherwise, that person has given nothing, but has scored an all expenses paid holiday in Australia in spring.
Why do you think she is (a) being paid and/or (b) having her expenses paid?
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Originally Posted by Captivep View Post
Why do you think she is (a) being paid and/or (b) having her expenses paid?
Because for years and years (at least 45) Telethon has done just that.
Always one international *star* to help promote the event.

Sammy Davis Jnr, Stevie Wonder, Celine Dion, Cliff Richards, Whitney Houston, et al.
Do you think that they all just turn up for the hell of it?
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
K&C: Nothing wrong with heading north to Stamford Bridge. Wasn't that the place where King Harold had to give the Danes a snotting before walking back down to Hastings to meet Billy Le Frog?
Unless of course it refers to the village just outside Chester!
The only Stamford Bridge that matters is the one just off the Kings Road..
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Originally Posted by ImageGear View Post
Some of the biggest donors to charity are wealthy Americans, the tax framework in the US allows charity donations to be offset against revenue. Consequently, the loss to the public purse is carried by the ordinary tax paying public.
Is there a loss though. If the charity is getting the money direct is that not better than routing it through the government and paying for a load of bureaucrats on the way?
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
Because for years and years (at least 45) Telethon has done just that.
Always one international *star* to help promote the event.

Sammy Davis Jnr, Stevie Wonder, Celine Dion, Cliff Richards, Whitney Houston, et al.
Do you think that they all just turn up for the hell of it?
I have no idea! I was just wondering whether you knew that as a fact, or were making an assumption...
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