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Old 30th Aug 2018, 09:15
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European Daylight Saving

Whatever they decide I think the UK will follow.

The last time the UK proposed ditching daylight saving was because of the argument that the extra hour of darkness on winter mornings would lead to more accidents to schoolchildren on their way to school. Subsequent research showed the argument failed to hold water as it ignored the additional hours after school when they were more likely to be out after dark - and far, far fewer children now walk to school in the morning.

https://www.politico.eu/article/80-p...ime-directive/

80 percent of EU citizens want to scrap daylight savings: report

A vast majority of EU citizens want to scrap daylight savings rules and stop changing their clocks twice a year, German media reported Wednesday.

Some 80 percent of respondents of a public consultation launched by the European Commission last month said they would support abolishing daylight savings, according to Westfalenpost.

The Commission launched the consultation as part of its review of the EU summer time directive. It has not provided details on its outcome, but has said some 4.6 million EU citizens participated.

European Commissioner for Transport Violeta Bulc will inform commissioners of the results this week and compile a formal report ahead of consultations with the European Parliament and relevant stakeholders, according to a Commission spokesperson.

The consultation, which isn’t binding, followed a February request from the European Parliament to carry out a “thorough assessment” of summer time arrangements, despite the decades-old practice of putting the clocks forward by an hour between March and October.


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Old 30th Aug 2018, 09:22
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Having the same clock time from Bucharest to Lisbon is a bit quaint, but that's being a good European. Iceland is in the EU, but very sensibly has it's own time (like UK).

I found it amusing in Eastern Poland in June driving back from an evenings entertainment as the farmers were going to work.
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Having the same clock time from Bucharest to Lisbon is a bit quaint, but that's being a good European. Iceland is in the EU, but very sensibly has it's own time (like UK).
The review is not investigating having just one time zone, as in China. The current differing EU time zones would be retained, but they would all cease moving the the clocks forward in summer back in winter.
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Most of the protests in Scotland were about children having to go to school in the dark in the Western Isles. They don't seem to have the same problem in Iceland which is in the same time zone.
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Well the hours of daylight in the northern latitudes in winter are very much shorter, so moving the clocks only one hour wouldn’t make much difference. Sunrise in Iceland in December being around 11am - and sunset around 4pm.
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Originally Posted by Fitter2 View Post
Having the same clock time from Bucharest to Lisbon is a bit quaint, but that's being a good European. Iceland is in the EU, but very sensibly has it's own time (like UK).

I found it amusing in Eastern Poland in June driving back from an evenings entertainment as the farmers were going to work.
Iceland is not in the EU!!

I don't believe there is any intention to have the same time zone across the whole of Europe or the EU, but instead to scrap the hour change, so WET (Western European Time) would still be UTC, CET (Central European Time) UTC+1 and Eastern European Time UTC+2.

I imagine that everyone, bar the extreme Brexiteers who would rail for ideological reasons, would consider it sensible to continue to be in step with our principal trading partners (which they will still be whatever happens). There is often a clamour from business for the UK to move to CET, and as getting rid of daylight saving would mean it getting light far to early in the morning on GMT in the summer, I could see us moving in that direction from a practical rather than political standpoint.

What a shame the UK government hasn't conducted a similar poll for UK.
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I'd support a plan to maintain BST all year round and maintain longer evenings. Sunrise in southern UK 9am, Sunset 5pm around winter equinox. Somewhere like Ullapool it would be about 10am to 4.30pm.
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
I'd support a plan to maintain BST all year round and maintain longer evenings. Sunrise in southern UK 9am, Sunset 5pm around winter equinox. Somewhere like Ullapool it would be about 10am to 4.30pm.
I am the same, UTC all year - no, CET all year yes please!
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Part of the problem is because we don't treat midday as midday! We have 3 hour mornings (09.00 - 12.00) and 5 hour afternoons (12.00 - 17.00). If we switched the normal working day to 08.00 - 16.00 a lot of these arguments would disappear.
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Having the same clock time from Bucharest to Lisbon is a bit quaint, but that's being a good European
(Fitter2, #2). Wrong: Lisbon, like the UK and Ireland, is not in the same time zone as most of Western and Central Europe.
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Originally Posted by Groundloop View Post
Part of the problem is because we don't treat midday as midday! We have 3 hour mornings (09.00 - 12.00) and 5 hour afternoons (12.00 - 17.00). If we switched the normal working day to 08.00 - 16.00 a lot of these arguments would disappear.
Doing that wouldn't worry me at all, trouble is that for many people old habits die hard.
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I heard once that the reason Spain (unlike Portugal) is an hour ahead of the U.K., even though we’re on the same longitude, is because Franco wanted to be in the same time zone as Germany - when they both had similar political ideals that is!

Maybe it’s an urban myth, but I would have thought the Spanish would have been keen to remedy it now that they are generally much more ‘left’ leaning and keen to distance themselves from old Francisco.
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I heard once that the reason Spain (unlike Portugal) is an hour ahead of the U.K., even though we’re on the same longitude, is because Franco wanted to be in the same time zone as Germany - when they both had similar political ideals that is!

Maybe it’s an urban myth, but I would have thought the Spanish would have been keen to remedy it now that they are generally much more ‘left’ leaning and keen to distance themselves from old Francisco.
May be true, but much of Spain is on the same longitude as France, so well west of the WET / UTC zone so logical to be in the same time zone as France, Germany etc.
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I'd support a plan to maintain BST all year round and maintain longer evenings
I seem to remember we had permanent BST for a few years around the end of the 60s/early 70s? I dare say it was unpopular, hence the move back to the twice yearly business of trying to remember whether to put the clocks forward or back!
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I seem to remember we had permanent BST for a few years around the end of the 60s/early 70s? I dare say it was unpopular,
Late 60s (?67-68) - I remember waiting in the dark at our rural bus stop at 0800 for the school bus when there was a screech of brakes and a thud - car collects middle aged lady crossing road....serious injuries but she survived..

That said where we are now our kids were catching their bus to lycee at 0700 in the dark most of the school year and that doesn't seem to have done them any harm...you organise your days around it and get used to...
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
I seem to remember we had permanent BST for a few years around the end of the 60s/early 70s? I dare say it was unpopular, hence the move back to the twice yearly business of trying to remember whether to put the clocks forward or back!
Farmers whinged (well there's a first) because the cows needed milking earlier. In reality the cows don't understand time, they needed milking at the same time every day, the farmers weren't happy about getting up earlier, even though in their understanding of time the cows would have also milked earlier in the evening.

I remember the trial, I was a school at the time (it was the late 60s I think) and I really enjoyed being able to play out in the snow after school by the time February had arrived. Can't recall getting up and going to school in the dark bothered me, and we didn't have hi-viz jackets in those says!!
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….back to the twice yearly business of trying to remember whether to put the clocks forward or back!
As in " spring forward, fall back"
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The clock changing business is archaic. No reason for it in the modern world. Get rid.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 11:47
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sensible to continue to be in step with our principal trading partners (which they will still be whatever happens
You mean we will remain an hour different from them as now, losing possibly 4 hours trading a day - the hour when they start before us, the two different lunch hours, and the hour we work after they are finished. The only thing the poxy EU couldn't manage to make us do was put our clocks in time with them.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 11:55
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You mean we will remain an hour different from them as now, losing possibly 4 hours trading a day - the hour when they start before us, the two different lunch hours, and the hour we work after they are finished. The only thing the poxy EU couldn't manage to make us do was put our clocks in time with them.
The time on the clock doesn't determine the hours a company works.

Many financial companies have work shifts arranged to coincide with the opening and closing of various stock exchanges around the world - because thats how they earn their money....
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