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Old 12th Aug 2018, 14:41
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Is Tamar Braxton correct in her allegation?

Iíll be honest, Iíve never even heard of this singer before but apparently, her sister thinks that because the captain spoke to her sternly about not paying attention to the safety drill, it was a racist issue - #flyingwhileblack apparently. The comment made on on Instagram about ĎI guess being Ďa diamond and double million miler donít matterí is incredibly arrogant. I would have thought that someone who flies regularly would understand even more the necessity of observing the routine.

Worth clicking on the video to see the captainís conversation with her, none which I thought was particularly rude or could be taken exception to.

https://people.com/home/tamar-braxto...ated-exchange/
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 14:47
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She didnít look look like she was being ridiculed either. The captain was just giving her the facts and not prepared to engage in any c**p or backchat.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 15:01
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Ah, a 'reality' star. Publicity is their oxygen. Nothing even borderline racist or disrespectful.

Merely self promotion.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 15:07
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Playing the colour card. Captain seemed firm but polite to me. When I fly that's just the sort of bloke I want in the left hand seat - inspires 100% confidence
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 15:26
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Who cares? Another non entity wasting space.............................
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 16:40
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flybe girl told me off for quietly chatting to my seat neighbour 6 rows back from her demo last week - that's me told - and I am a white male honky been flying for 50 odd years lol
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 16:52
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Rog, OTOH I complained to easyJet that you could not see the safety brief. The response was they met the CAA requirements for number of FA giving the brief.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 22:29
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The BBC news nowadays is totally taken from Instagram and Facebook.
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 02:49
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Slightly authoritarian..just as I like my Captains. Good man!
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 05:56
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Rog, OTOH I complained to easyJet that you could not see the safety brief. The response was they met the CAA requirements for number of FA giving the brief.
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lol can't win can we

on the Flybe flight back from VRN I was seated at the exit window (2D Q400) and again a rather stern CC lady came round to explain (rightly) to me the window exit opening procedures and was I happy to do this, and in a very nice chatty manner I replied I am retired airline Ops and flight crew (40 years) and I said she had nothing to worry about -
she then snapped ''Can I speak and finish what I was saying''
Ooops I thought - she was on a SEP robotic roll of spiel and did not like one bit I had dared to interrupt her...So I shut my gob and did not make conversation with her further...

.I can fully empathise now why aggressive situations kick off on board very quickly when some CC simply are so wound up with SOP's and deadlines etc...
Her stress had started as the a/c was late in - as we boarded we are contritely told to sit down quickly and further admonished that if we dont it will be our fault and we will miss our ATC slot and sit on the ground for 3 hours -
Well had they had the intelligence to use both boarding doors then the 77 pax could have been boarded twice as quick --- likewise had they asked for the pax to the a/c sooner (it was a coaching gate at Verona on a very remote stand) - so basically crap ground handling and coordination
I really did not like her attitude and she obviously had a strop on.....

I was going to mention to her had they used two boarding doors then we could have all got on PDQ but thought better of it....

the skipper OTOH was a really nice guy and fully explained about the delays and apologies and worked hard with all the agencies to get us a new Slot within 5 minutes
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 12:04
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Well had they had the intelligence to use both boarding doors then the 77 pax could have been boarded twice as quick
There speaks an optimist!!

Anyway, back to the point - apologies but I'm unable to view the video which might make it all clear, but doesn't it depend on why she was being spoken to (by the captain?) rather than how she was spoken to? Was she the only one not paying attention?
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 13:19
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
There speaks an optimist!!

Anyway, back to the point - apologies but I'm unable to view the video which might make it all clear, but doesn't it depend on why she was being spoken to (by the captain?) rather than how she was spoken to? Was she the only one not paying attention?
My understanding is she and her sister sat with blankets over their heads, so quite blatantly ignoring the drill.


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Old 13th Aug 2018, 15:42
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Good to see a Captain supporting his crew in no uncertain terms, but in polite yet plain and simple English. Good for him. HE is responsible for that flight and all those people on board and he relies on his flight / cabin crew to achieve that.

Get back in your box you jumped up nobody who thinks they are above anyone else and can ignore the 'minions' keeping you safe and comfortable on your flight.. Grrrr

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Old 13th Aug 2018, 15:56
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Good to see, just as well they said yes as the next step would have been escorted off the plane, I like the way he left no room for argument or discussion with a simple yes or no then left after he got his reply.
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 16:19
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..., I like the way he left no room for argument or discussion with a simple yes or no then left after he got his reply.
Agreed.. It was both fair and firm [and from the point of us spectators] was almost funny because he brooked no nonsense and then having got the answer he wanted, just walked off, ending the conversation and the problem.

Shame on 'them' then for playing the race card because I saw not the slightest hint of anything like that on the videos they posted (and you can bet that if the Captain had said anything racist then it would have been all over social media like a bad rash). This being America, couldn't he sue them for false allegations of racism?
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 16:41
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If you carry on listening to the video, after the captain walks away, you can hear them discussing getting whether to get off the aircraft. Again, bratty behaviour just because theyíve had a talking to plus all the inconvenience to the ground crew of off loading their bags.

Delta have said they will be looking into the incident - I hope they donít penalise any crew members because of what appears to be an unfounded allegation.
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 17:38
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Oh dear, how sad, never mind...

Singer Tamar Braxton has finally sold the Calabasas home she shared with estranged husband Vincent Herbert, but for much less than the original asking price.

According to Variety, Braxton sold the home for $9.25 million which is less than what she paid. In 2013, the couple purchased the 7 bedrooms, 9 bathrooms property for $10.5 million. After their marriage fell apart, the couple listed the property in October 2017 for $15.999 million. After multiple liens and almost foreclosure, their asking price dipped to $13.995 million. When the couple failed to sell the home for that price, they settled for $1.25 million less than that $10.5 million they paid in 2013.
https://atlantablackstar.com/2018/08...aggering-loss/
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 18:10
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He is just the type of Capt I would like to see on my flghts (speaking as a humble pax). Polite, firm, direct, and no bull. Good for him.
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Old 14th Aug 2018, 10:15
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I see she has reported him to the police and is whining about her customer rights. In the UK we have the following statement in the Air Navigation Order which covers pretty much any eventuality:

"244. Authority of pilot in command of an aircraft. Every person in an aircraft must obey all lawful commands which the pilot in command of that aircraft may give for the purpose of securing the safety of the aircraft and of persons or property carried in the aircraft, or the safety, efficiency or regularity of air navigation." That pretty much covers everything, but there are some other provisos all of which are on the Captain's side.

I wonder how many visitors to this site are aware that the seat belt and no smoking signs are considered to be "reasonable instructions" from the aircraft commander. For all of you unstrap, stand up and start getting your gear together while we taxy to the stand are in fact breaking the law and as a result are also uninsured at that point. A long time ago when I was a very new FO a passenger was injured as a result of acting in this manner, a claim was made and the insurers pointed out that a reasonable instruction from the aircraft commander had been disobeyed, therefore it was the passenger's own fault and no payment would be made. The cabin crew speak with the authority of the captain, if they tell you to pay attention it is because it is important. At such a busy phase of departure for flight deck and cabin crew I would suggest that the cabin crew had asked the captain to attend because of the behaviour of the passsenger concerned. When that happens you're looking at an off-load, not as Ms Braxton said "we wondered about leaving the flight" She was lucky, in Europe she could have left in hand cuffs with a prosecution very likely.

I'd never heard of her, has she done anything to the benefit of humanity? Or is she just another "Don't you know who I am" nonentity having her 15 minutes?

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Old 14th Aug 2018, 11:12
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From what he was asking them about being able and willing to carry out the instructions, it sounded like they were sitting in an emergency exit aisle. When I've flown and sat in those aisles it's been made very clear that if you were not able and willing to assist in the event of an emergency you would be relocated to another seat and someone who was willing and able would be sat there. In this case I agree with the pilots actions, in fact I would have just moved them on in the first place.

But of course if they'd done hat they were told they would not have got the headlines......
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