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Moss Side shooting — ten people injured in Manchester street

Old 13th Aug 2018, 10:45
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The police Chief Supt I saw on TV last night said that a shotgun had been used, not an air weapon. Has the info changed since then? I cant see 10 people being injured by an air weapon,
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 10:52
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It was fairly obvious when reported that several people at a gathering had been wounded (some seriously) by pellets that a shotgun would be involved.
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 11:23
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
It was fairly obvious when reported that several people at a gathering had been wounded (some seriously) by pellets that a shotgun would be involved.
It was not reported that anyone had been seriously wounded by pellets, at least not in OZ.
It was reported that one person had broken their leg while trying to escape the mayhem.

When a 6 ft/lb air pistol was mentioned I imagined a multi-shot pellet gun, like a paint ball gun.
They do exist.
The paint ball arcade at the Brimob camp in Balikpapan was using similar, for a more realistic experience, a few years back.
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 11:49
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Bad reputations are easily won, and hellishly hard to lose. When I tell people I'm working in The Meadows, St. Anns or heaven forbid, Hyson Green areas in Nottingham they recoil in horror. In reality they aren't the places they were a couple of decades ago. Yes just recently one of these areas suffered gun violence, and Nottinghamshire's best have felt the collars of a number of people at the weekend who are now heading for court. Bus as soon as something like that happens all the old assumptions about safety and crime resurface. I'm sure Moss Side is similar, nothing like the place it was, but this one incident reported nationally (as it should have been) leads journalists and politicians who should know better to resort to all the familiar cliches.
Nothing wrong with Hyson Green,St Anns however.... And Lenton. Also worse places in Manchester than Moss Side, Wythenshawe being one.
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 17:31
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I still own my Browning Medalist 22LR - with which I won a medal. A medal I threw away recently. The gun is still in Texas but it's doubtful I'll ever see it again.

I sent my guns to Texas between the two tragedies. I used them a bit there but my heart was no longer in the sport.

My pal here with the airguns shoots pigeons while I rescue spiders and have just helped a nice moth to freedom. I couldn't zap a living thing. Well, mosquitoes - there've been a few of those I'd have used a bazooka on given the chance.

The air pistol was well made, the hatching seemed to be cut into real wood. it was not at all unlike the Medalist at a glance, though its magazine was circular and placed in the top with most of it protruding. It seems one has to adjust for a reduction in power as the gas pressure diminishes. Hmmm, the hours I've spent trying to get powder accurate to one granule. However, the power of the pistol left me in no doubt that the sizeable 'waisted' pellet could do a lot of harm, not even counting entering the eye. The brain's ability to interpret sound-timing is amazing. I could still tell the delay for the returning sound spelled out a fairly high muzzle velocity.

It's good to know there is the chance to prove one's proficiency and indeed hold the paperwork to prove it. I'm still uncertain about the right to carry, I know we used to interpret the wording very casually; much to our needs of the day. But that was a long time ago.
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 17:36
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
It was not reported that anyone had been seriously wounded by pellets, at least not in OZ.
It was reported that one person had broken their leg while trying to escape the mayhem.

When a 6 ft/lb air pistol was mentioned I imagined a multi-shot pellet gun, like a paint ball gun.
They do exist.
The paint ball arcade at the Brimob camp in Balikpapan was using similar, for a more realistic experience, a few years back.
From the land of the Second Amendment comes :

Why Pellet Guns Are an Option for Self Defense
  1. Velocity 500+ fps – penetrates 5-6″ of soft tissue
  2. Multi shot magazines – shoot 10-50 shots without reloading
  3. CO2 Power – provides continuous shooting without cocking the action….and lots of power
  4. Easy to Purchase – no regulation or background checks
  5. Low Noise – no ear protection and will not disturb neighbors or set off car alarms
  6. Easy to shoot well – no recoil or noise…pinpoint accuracy is easy to obtain
  7. Lightweight – men and women can handle and shoot easily
Carry one in the UK and the Police will shoot you without waiting to find out if it's a pellet gun or the real thing... they shot a man carrying a chair -leg once thinking it was a rifle......................
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 18:31
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry View Post
Carry one in the UK and the Police will shoot you without waiting to find out if it's a pellet gun or the real thing... they shot a man carrying a chair -leg once thinking it was a rifle......................
Which is why my lad always phones the cops before getting the air rifle out of the van.
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 22:29
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Yes, he says he went home earlier than that because it started raining.

He does always call the cops before getting the gun out and using it, he doesn't want to be shot by some overenthusiastic policeman. His current problem is that he's moving to a slightly more dodgy area of Manchester (he can't afford to buy where he's renting), so does he

(a) keep the gun in the car, risking someone breaking into the car to steal it, or
(b) keep the gun in the house, but that's worse because people will know it's there because they'll see him carrying it in and out.

I think he's currently leaning towards leaving it in the car, under a heap of manky junk, and hoping that nobody will know it's there.
Wouldn't it be safer for everyone if he just stored the weapon at the gun club?
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 22:31
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Wouldn't it be safer for everyone if he just stored the weapon at the gun club?
That would be completely pointless. He needs it to be able to do his job, that's why his employer has provided it, and his job isn't at the gun club.
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 22:35
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Perhaps a rack across the vehicle behind the driver so that it was readily available (to the driver, but covered by a sheet to disguise it from inquisitive passers-by)?
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 22:43
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It doesn't need to be available whilst driving. He's a pest controller, he shoots birds and squirrels and suchlike - if it takes an extra ten minutes to extricate the gun from well hidden in the van that's fine, the client is paying for the time; they should have taken his advice and not allowed the pests to get into their food factory in the first place.
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 22:48
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
covered by a sheet to disguise it from inquisitive passers-by
Is that even legal in the UK? I seem to remember someone here in Canada being taken to court a few years ago for covering their rifle with a towel or something while carrying it to a friend's apartment, because that made it a 'concealed weapon'.
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Old 13th Aug 2018, 23:11
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My suggestion was 'tongue in cheek' - and flushed out the 'need' in the response,
The correct answer is to have a locked sturdy gun-cabinet (of the sort used by armed police in their vehicles) - ie 'readily available' but secure, even when unattended.
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Old 14th Aug 2018, 02:34
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In Western Australia all licensed firearms must be stored, if at home, in a sturdy (approved) lockable cabinet that is bolted in twi directions (eg wall + floor) with a seperate lockable compartment for ammunition.

For bolt action rifles I would further recommend storing the bolt seperately again.

I am giving some thought to swapping 1/2 shotguns with my brother
That is, I have my barrel and his stock and vice versa.
They may then get what looks like a shotgun but will never be able to use it.
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Old 14th Aug 2018, 08:23
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At school our rifles were stored in a barred and alarmed armoury. Ammunition was stored in the attic. As an RAF cadet our rifles were 'secured' to the bed frame with a kit-bag has and rivetted padlock, in an unlocked room, by an unmanned entrance to the station. The only real nod to security was storing the bolts in the armoury.

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Old 14th Aug 2018, 15:26
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Over here, I believe you have to unload it, put a trigger lock on, and leave it behind the sofa or under the bed. Unless it's a pistol or evil, baby-killing AR-15, in which case it does have to be locked away.

And full-autos need the bolt stored separately and you're not allowed to shoot them unless you have an approved range on your own land.

Or you can carry a loaded Chinese AK-47 ripoff in your car if you're likely to need it for protection against wild animals (because the wooden stock makes it less evil and baby-killing than an AR-15). Though most people would probably prefer a pump-action shotgun because of the magazine size limits. Five rounds of 7.62 vs eight 12-gauge slugs against a bear seems like a fairly easy choice.

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