Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Social > Jet Blast
Reload this Page >

Canada and Saudi Arabia

Jet Blast Topics that don't fit the other forums. Rules of Engagement apply.

Canada and Saudi Arabia

Old 9th Aug 2018, 04:56
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Vendee
Posts: 138
Canada and Saudi Arabia

Good on Canada for letting the Saudis know where they stand. Double good on Canada for doing so all the while knowing that just south of its border is the world's most full-throated supporter of MBS

Not sure how or when this will rrun its course, but it is reassuring to see a government at least show some pushback against the transparency of MBS' grasp for power and regional influence.
Uncle Fred is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2018, 06:38
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: E.Wash State
Posts: 595
I'm not a fan of little Justin, but on this matter, I'm in full agreement.

The Saudis need to have someone stand them up and tell them what a bunch of medieval thugocrats they are. Why they think withdrawing their students and medical patients from Canada is in their interest escapes me. I hope Canada is able to continue their position on this.

US is in a dicey spot on it, though, as Saudi is a big part of the pressure on Iran, and that issue is more important. So US is just staying out of this spat -- we don't have to be sprawled on every barricade that pops up.
obgraham is online now  
Old 9th Aug 2018, 07:56
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 10,894
Interesting, if somewhat predictable, take from Al Jazeera:

"It's pretty clear that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is using Canada to send a message to the rest of the world that if you want to trade with Saudi Arabia, then you need to shut up on human rights," said Nader Hashemi, director of the University of Denver's Center for Middle East Studies at the Josef Korbel School of International Studies.

Hashemi said the root cause of the diplomatic crisis with Canada is bin Salman himself.

The crown prince, commonly referred to as MBS, "is drunk on power and arrogant and suffers from a deep dose of youthful naivete and believes that he has [US President] Donald Trump in his back pocket and can do whatever he wants", Hashemi told Al Jazeera.

Since coming to power in 2015, MBS has sought to be portrayed as a reformist at home, while at the same time instituting more aggressive policies abroad.

He has been accused of being the "architect" of the devastating war in Yemen that has led to a humanitarian crisis, enforced a blockade on Qatar, arrested dozens of members of the Saudi royal family, and confined and reportedly forced Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri to resign.

The conflict with Canada is bin Salman's way of establishing new rules for how countries deal with Saudi Arabia, Hashemi said."


Saudi Arabia is using Canada to send a message, analysts say
DaveReidUK is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2018, 08:06
  #4 (permalink)  
Paid...Persona Grata
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Between BHX and EMA
Age: 73
Posts: 236
Sounds to me like somebody should send MBS a message of the 9mm variety.
UniFoxOs is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2018, 12:06
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: cowtown
Posts: 78
They are still using crucifixion as a means of punishment . Tweeting against someone who can kill like that is an exercise in onanism.
fitliker is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2018, 12:34
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: apogee
Age: 65
Posts: 59
Have been paying very little attention to this rather trivial matter.
SA reacted like a scolded child who knows they're wrong and doesn't like being told off.
Withdraw students and docs and any new trade deals? Plenty to fill the gaps. In the great scheme of things, we really care very little about this feudal, repressive, country of extremely limited resources..

believes that he has [US President] Donald Trump in his back pocket and can do whatever he wants
Other way round. Newbie in SA thinks he has a friend in Trump and can ride his coattails.
Trump angry at Justin......SA tries to play a chorus.
We just don't care about stupid stuff.
meadowrun is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2018, 14:52
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Texas
Age: 60
Posts: 5,372
They are also selling off all Canadian financial assets; not sure if that's a significant number or not. Anyone up on the bond / debt instrument market in Canada?
Lonewolf_50 is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2018, 15:10
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: apogee
Age: 65
Posts: 59
"(Bloomberg) -- The decision by Saudi Arabia to halt new investments and unload assets in Canada is likely to have limited impact.
Saudi assets in Canada are confined mainly to stakes in upscale hotel operators, some small stock holdings in companies like Canadian National Railway Co., and grain facilities."

They have assured us that oil supplies from them will not be affected.
It is all they have to trade with after all.
meadowrun is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2018, 15:26
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Toronto
Posts: 2,214
Canada imports about $2.5 billion in oil from SA a year for use in Eastern Canada while underpriced oil is sitting in Western Canada because of pipeline undercapacity

​​​​​Québec is happy to collect equalization payments courtesy Western Canada oil revenues, but turns up its nose at getting oil through a pipe – until the day there's a tanker spill in the St. Laurence
RatherBeFlying is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2018, 15:30
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: surfing, watching for sharks
Posts: 3,503
If the Canadian govt is equally vocal with other nations human rights abuses, then so be it. The spat will amount to a hill of beans.
West Coast is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2018, 15:47
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Hampshire
Age: 72
Posts: 722
They are still using crucifixion as a means of punishment
Stop being silly! They don't and never have used crucifixion.
KelvinD is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2018, 16:19
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Itinerant
Posts: 627
Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Stop being silly! They don't and never have used crucifixion.
Oh KD.. sadly your are very wrong. (Perhaps you should inform yourself before accusing others so empatically of "being silly")

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...r-murder-theft
grizzled is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2018, 16:39
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Texas
Age: 60
Posts: 5,372
Originally Posted by grizzled View Post
Oh KD.. sadly your are very wrong. (Perhaps you should inform yourself before accusing others so empatically of "being silly")

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...r-murder-theft
If what was posted in that article is true, I daresay the bugger deserved it.
Lonewolf_50 is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2018, 16:43
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: europe
Posts: 0
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
If what was posted in that article is true, I daresay the bugger deserved it.
And he was not killed by crucifixion
arketip is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2018, 17:10
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Near the coast
Posts: 1,637
When to concede...

Have you noticed on PPRuNe how nobody ever concedes a point?

When they have been comprehensively found wanting they just stop posting. It seems nobody has the good grace to admit when they were incorrect.

I wonder if KD will prove me wrong?

I will then happily concede my point.

BV
Bob Viking is online now  
Old 9th Aug 2018, 17:23
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 10,894
"Crucifixion" in Saudi Arabia typically means public beheading of the offender, after which the head is reattached to the body and the corpse then displayed on a pole.

Much more tasteful than simply nailing a poor soul to a cross ...

So yes, it is perfectly correct to state that crucifixion, in the generally accepted sense of the word, is not carried out in SA.

Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
I wonder if KD will prove me wrong?

I will then happily concede my point.

Hmmmm.
DaveReidUK is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2018, 17:27
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Itinerant
Posts: 627
Originally Posted by arketip View Post
And he was not killed by crucifixion
Yes you are correct. As is the "norm" he was beheaded whilst kneeling in publc, then his headless body was hung on a cross ("Crucified" is the term used by the Saudis -- it's not simply random use of the word by me or by the press). The headless body usually hangs from a cross in a public place for several days.

Your point?
grizzled is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2018, 18:05
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 10,894
Originally Posted by grizzled View Post
Your point?
I think his point was that he wasn't killed by the crucifixion part ...

Unless of course he had survived having his head cut off.
DaveReidUK is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2018, 18:23
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Florida
Posts: 5,176
the head is reattached to the body and the corpse then displayed on a pole.
how is this done? I can't even re-attached a cap on my tooth with super-glue
lomapaseo is online now  
Old 9th Aug 2018, 19:12
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 10,894
Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
how is this done? I can't even re-attached a cap on my tooth with super-glue
It's sewn back on, apparently.

Cornell Law School: Center on the Death Penalty Worldwide - Saudi Arabia
DaveReidUK is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.