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Old 9th Aug 2018, 19:17
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
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From a US perspective, I am thinking that we well know from the Carter and Mo Pahlavi debacle with Iran how things go when westerners get involved in internal politics in the ME. We just want to drain the place of oil, and let them do whatever they do with their human rights failings. Which is rather two-faced, considering our stance with Iran once again. Canada took a stance, and backed it up. Good for them, but SA also has a point that they don't need Canada's opinion on internal matters. SA doesn't interfere in Canada, as far as I know.
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 20:03
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Well, there is that whole wahhabism thing.
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 20:07
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Well, there is that whole wahhabism thing.
I thought the new guy had come down against the people who were funding terrorists?

That said, there's still the question of why the brother of the recent shooter in Toronto was found in a coma with tens of kilograms of high-strength opiates.
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 20:22
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Just front page.

Saudia Arabia is facing an international outcry after at least 29 children were among dozens of civilians killed by a US-backed Saudi-led coalition airstrike that hit a bus in Yemen’s Houthi rebel-held north.
Dozens dead in Yemen as bus carrying children hit by airstrike

Won't stop the Tories flogging them more weapons naturally, no outcry from them!
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 22:14
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Who would have thunk it that it would be the Canadians finally telling the Saudi's to go and do one................. no doubt Saudi's will threaten Canadian Head of State soon.

RESPECT TO THE CANUCKS
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 22:17
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Originally Posted by RatherBeFlying View Post
Canada imports about $2.5 billion in oil from SA a year for use in Eastern Canada while underpriced oil is sitting in Western Canada because of pipeline undercapacity

​​​​​Québec is happy to collect equalization payments courtesy Western Canada oil revenues, but turns up its nose at getting oil through a pipe – until the day there's a tanker spill in the St. Laurence
That's because imported oil is not only more ethical and environmentally friendly, it's also carbon free.
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 22:20
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
If the Canadian govt is equally vocal with other nations human rights abuses, then so be it. The spat will amount to a hill of beans.
JT and the band have nothing to say about China. In fact, he has publicly stated he admires their government. I guess money is the line where ethics ends.
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 22:36
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
If the Canadian govt is equally vocal with other nations human rights abuses, then so be it. The spat will amount to a hill of beans.
If you are going to pick on someone with bad human rights record might as well go for a biggie and they did.

Least China makes good stuff and has decent food.........
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 22:41
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What an excellent opportunity the exodus of the medical students will offer the Canadian Government . All those medical facilities can now be used by Canadians to train Canadians who will stay in the health service of Canada .Rather than foreign students using the teaching hospitals and leaving for greener pastures, once trained.
That should help alleviate the Doctor shortage and health care waiting lists that have been created due to the shortage of training spaces for Doctors of Canadian heritage.
We cannot keep stealing the village doctors from the rest of the planet forever. Eventually they will hate us for stealing their Doctors and Engineers .
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 23:17
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Originally Posted by Mostly Harmless View Post
JT and the band have nothing to say about China. In fact, he has publicly stated he admires their government. I guess money is the line where ethics ends.
Well., as either Rousseau or Voltaire said (among many others since of course) 'When it comes to money we all speak the same language.' For some reason I don't think he was referring just to linguistic commonalities...
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 23:24
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Originally Posted by Mostly Harmless View Post
That's because imported oil is not only more ethical and environmentally friendly, it's also carbon free.
And a good thing that is. The old carbon based crude was really getting long of tooth--and so much dependence on a single molecule. Who ever came up with that idea? This carbon free farm to market to table stuff is the better way to go.
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 23:31
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Originally Posted by Uncle Fred View Post
Good on Canada for letting the Saudis know where they stand. Double good on Canada for doing so all the while knowing that just south of its border is the world's most full-throated supporter of MBS

Not sure how or when this will rrun its course, but it is reassuring to see a government at least show some pushback against the transparency of MBS' grasp for power and regional influence.
hola Uncle Fred.

Attaching for your edification a Canadian's discussion with respect to the current hullaballoo with the Saudis. FYI the recent poll of Canadians are again blaming the 'dauphin' Trudeau for once again not only embarrassing Canada by insisting Canadian values are solely women's rights, diversity, natives rights, pride parades, et al. but for causing many other economical dust-ups with trading partners i.e. p*ssing off the Americans which may come as a surprise to you in that the majority of Canadians do not hate the Trump/Americans; as a matter of fact so many of them are our cousins, brothers, uncles, sisters .....


https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum..._autoplay=true

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Old 10th Aug 2018, 20:43
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Originally Posted by PacWest View Post
hola Uncle Fred.

Attaching for your edification a Canadian's discussion with respect to the current hullaballoo with the Saudis. FYI the recent poll of Canadians are again blaming the 'dauphin' Trudeau for once again not only embarrassing Canada by insisting Canadian values are solely women's rights, diversity, natives rights, pride parades, et al. but for causing many other economical dust-ups with trading partners i.e. p*ssing off the Americans which may come as a surprise to you in that the majority of Canadians do not hate the Trump/Americans; as a matter of fact so many of them are our cousins, brothers, uncles, sisters .....


https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum..._autoplay=true

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Errrrr....ok...whatever you say. My point in the OP was not of the Canadian electorate's view of Mr. Trump or of JT's perceived foibles, but rather that a government set out a marker, however weak and ineffectual you might think it to be, that not everyone worships at the feet of MBS nor thinks he is perfect.

I also think that there were experienced advisors within the Canadian diplomatic corps guiding this and not just JT acting in a fit of pique. Good on them.
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 22:21
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New broom in SA wants to make a point. They will not be pushed around or even insulted and they did not want to pick on USA, too risky if Trump bites back and Trump does not seem to be beholden to the usual conventions of diplomacy. Canada is small enough the sanctions won't hurt SA too much and while they won't bankrupt Canada they are public and costly enough to get public attention and therefore politicians' attention.

Nicely calculated that France, Germany, Britain and even USA will not stand up for Canada over this.

Fifty years ago countries believed that they should look after their own interests first and the idea of interfering in the internal civil business of other countries, (except for colonies etc,) would have seemed rather odd. The idea that a Prime Minister would go to another country on a state visit and lecture them on their 'civil rights' still seems rude. Tying export contracts to the purchaser's civil rights or internal affairs may be popular with some sections of society but to others it just seems bonkers.

Personally I think is should be the duty of every politician to see that the country is self supporting in everything that is vital to the survival and prosperity of its people. Most people missed the point when Trump said that he was imposing steel tariffs for "the security of the country" and that included Canadian steel. (And Trudeau deliberately and disingenuously missed it.) While it was, perhaps a bargaining ploy, he was also saying that the USA should be capable of producing all the steel it might need in a war. If the USA engaged in a war that was unpopular in Canada could he trust Trudeau not to cut off supply on the basis of "human rights" or "humanitarian" ideals?

Locally the income from 2,000 medical students lost is getting some cover and the loss in the hospitals is getting a bit of public traction, but then we'd do better if we trained our own who would stay here long term. So far there is no word on the extent of SA holdings that might be sold off beyond a few luxury hotels etc. Sounds more like cutting off one's nose . . . . . . . . . .
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 23:37
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Originally Posted by ChrisVJ View Post
...............While it was, perhaps a bargaining ploy, he was also saying that the USA should be capable of producing all the steel it might need in a war. If the USA engaged in a war that was unpopular in Canada could he trust Trudeau not to cut off supply on the basis of "human rights" or "humanitarian" ideals"......... . . . . . .
Similarly water. The USA should be capable of producing all the water it might need to keep the Nevada and California swimming pools topped up and shining.
Could Trump trust Trudeau not to cut off supply in the case of such a "humanitarian" crisis as having the pools run low.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 06:01
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
Similarly water. The USA should be capable of producing all the water it might need to keep the Nevada and California swimming pools topped up and shining.
Could Trump trust Trudeau not to cut off supply in the case of such a "humanitarian" crisis as having the pools run low.
Canada carefully left water out of NAFT for exactly that reason.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 06:09
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Originally Posted by ChrisVJ View Post
New broom in SA wants to make a point. They will not be pushed around or even insulted and they did not want to pick on USA, too risky if Trump bites back and Trump does not seem to be beholden to the usual conventions of diplomacy. Canada is small enough the sanctions won't hurt SA too much and while they won't bankrupt Canada they are public and costly enough to get public attention and therefore politicians' attention.

Nicely calculated that France, Germany, Britain and even USA will not stand up for Canada over this.

Fifty years ago countries believed that they should look after their own interests first and the idea of interfering in the internal civil business of other countries, (except for colonies etc,) would have seemed rather odd. The idea that a Prime Minister would go to another country on a state visit and lecture them on their 'civil rights' still seems rude. Tying export contracts to the purchaser's civil rights or internal affairs may be popular with some sections of society but to others it just seems bonkers.

Personally I think is should be the duty of every politician to see that the country is self supporting in everything that is vital to the survival and prosperity of its people. Most people missed the point when Trump said that he was imposing steel tariffs for "the security of the country" and that included Canadian steel. (And Trudeau deliberately and disingenuously missed it.) While it was, perhaps a bargaining ploy, he was also saying that the USA should be capable of producing all the steel it might need in a war. If the USA engaged in a war that was unpopular in Canada could he trust Trudeau not to cut off supply on the basis of "human rights" or "humanitarian" ideals?

Locally the income from 2,000 medical students lost is getting some cover and the loss in the hospitals is getting a bit of public traction, but then we'd do better if we trained our own who would stay here long term. So far there is no word on the extent of SA holdings that might be sold off beyond a few luxury hotels etc. Sounds more like cutting off one's nose . . . . . . . . . .
Well argued Chris. Good points made.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 08:30
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 17:34
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Good to see the union is more concerned with 'human rights' in Saudi than the jobs of their members. Very Progressive of them.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 18:14
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Originally Posted by ChrisVJ View Post
New broom in SA wants to make a point. They will not be pushed around or even insulted and they did not want to pick on USA, too risky if Trump bites back and Trump does not seem to be beholden to the usual conventions of diplomacy. Canada is small enough the sanctions won't hurt SA too much and while they won't bankrupt Canada they are public and costly enough to get public attention and therefore politicians' attention.

Nicely calculated that France, Germany, Britain and even USA will not stand up for Canada over this.

Fifty years ago countries believed that they should look after their own interests first and the idea of interfering in the internal civil business of other countries, (except for colonies etc,) would have seemed rather odd. The idea that a Prime Minister would go to another country on a state visit and lecture them on their 'civil rights' still seems rude. Tying export contracts to the purchaser's civil rights or internal affairs may be popular with some sections of society but to others it just seems bonkers.

Personally I think is should be the duty of every politician to see that the country is self supporting in everything that is vital to the survival and prosperity of its people. Most people missed the point when Trump said that he was imposing steel tariffs for "the security of the country" and that included Canadian steel. (And Trudeau deliberately and disingenuously missed it.) While it was, perhaps a bargaining ploy, he was also saying that the USA should be capable of producing all the steel it might need in a war. If the USA engaged in a war that was unpopular in Canada could he trust Trudeau not to cut off supply on the basis of "human rights" or "humanitarian" ideals?

Locally the income from 2,000 medical students lost is getting some cover and the loss in the hospitals is getting a bit of public traction, but then we'd do better if we trained our own who would stay here long term. So far there is no word on the extent of SA holdings that might be sold off beyond a few luxury hotels etc. Sounds more like cutting off one's nose . . . . . . . . . .
Perhaps the lack of support is at least partially powered by JT pissing off allies.
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