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Should Boris apologise for writing this?

Old 8th Aug 2018, 08:26
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Originally Posted by Dan_Brown View Post
Here's where the double standards kick in. Most muslim men can wear what they like,and they don't expose too much skin. Perish the thought should they do so.
Where you live can you play football with friends bare chested?
Can you work in your garden, jog, wash your car bare chested?
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 08:52
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As has been said on this thread and many other threads in JB we have allowed the lunatics to run the asylum.

Boris is just one of many talking heads and knows exactly what he is doing, even if no one else does.

I didn't see any offence in his article, but then again I don't have an agenda in the public arena and have no need to be willfully ignorant or stupid for mass appeal.

The TV pundits and commentators aren't willfully ignorant or stupid, it's their natural condition.
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 09:55
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“I wouldn’t want my four year old looked after by somebody wearing a burka. I wouldn’t want my elderly mum looked after by somebody wearing a burka. They need to be able to show their face. I wouldn’t mind if they worked in records in the hospital.”
Labour Shadow Secretary Emily Thornberry, BBC Question Time 2013.

Far worse than what Boris said.

Where is the outrage?
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 10:02
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
For any who have bothered to read Boris's article, it is fundamentally a case for a liberal society not banning this form of garb.....
Correct. He made it quite clear he was against a total ban on the Burqa.

Were his remarks offensive? That depends who reads them, because let’s face it there are increasing numbers of people who actively seek reasons to be offended – not just the regular crowd of Boris haters.
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 10:34
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
He’s paid to fill column inches, and nothing he has written is in any way offensive.
He's only saying out loud what others think.
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 11:16
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Perhaps those complaining should approach the female Muslim Guardian correspondent, Remon Aly, who, in 2013, suggested 9 alternate uses for the burqa - including letterbox and as a robbery disguise?

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-mohamed-image
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 12:13
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
But the typical black absorbs heat/light.
Look at a typical Saudi man in his robes - invariably in white, which has the opposite heat effect, yet still shields from the sun.
I don't see any logic to heating up the outer garment only to have a possible lighter garment underneath, try to dissipate it.
That of course is true, and as pointed out men wear white jellabiya. You can however see through jellabiya, so a black garment is better at concealing the provocative form below.
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 12:28
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Boris was writing about how the freedom loving Danes were wrong to ban the Burka when many other European countries also ban the Burka in places.

May I ask our Russophiles what is the situation with Burka wearing?
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 13:47
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Siti old boy !

When it cometh to analogies, alas, thou hast missed one teensy detail in your latest, carefully thunked through, offering.

As far as I am aware, the lady depicted, unlike say the racist thug also depicted, does not go around, or rather formerly went around, indulging in a spot of gratuitous lynching of people whose skin pigmentation wasn't pristine white.

It is quite abhorrent that the law bans this social activity really because it was such a popular pastime and just a bit of fun, getting dressed up and murdering somebody for the pleasure of doing so......now where's the harm in that eh ?
One small detail omitted. Selective amnesia??

The lady depicted belongs, (willingly or forced), to a cult of "love and peace", that carries out, atrocity, after atrocity after atrocity. "now where's the harm in that eh ?"
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 13:52
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Absolutely not! If these people want to live here and be accepted, they should integrate more and not create divisions, Why should we pander to all these cults. If France bans the burka, so should we. If they don't like it, then go back to the country they came from? No one forced them to come here!
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 14:24
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Originally Posted by Amos Keeto View Post
If France bans the burka, so should we
Hmmm.

"If France does X, so should we" sounds like une recette pour le désastre.
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 14:44
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Siti old boy !

When it cometh to analogies, alas, thou hast missed one teensy detail in your latest, carefully thunked through, offering.

As far as I am aware, the lady depicted, unlike say the racist thug also depicted, does not go around, or rather formerly went around, indulging in a spot of gratuitous lynching of people whose skin pigmentation wasn't pristine white.

It is quite abhorrent that the law bans this social activity really because it was such a popular pastime and just a bit of fun, getting dressed up and murdering somebody for the pleasure of doing so......now where's the harm in that eh ?
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One small detail omitted. Selective amnesia??

The lady depicted belongs, (willingly or forced), to a cult of "love and peace", that carries out, atrocity, after atrocity after atrocity. "now where's the harm in that eh ?"
Is there a death sentence for the 'white hooded' person that sitigeltfel's post depicted if that person actively leaves that 'cult'?
Is there a death sentence for the 'black hooded' person that sitigeltfel's post depicted if that person actively leaves that 'cult'?

I find both to be abhorrent, but this difference between those two hooded cults makes the one that takes away that personal choice of association with that cult to be even more abhorrent.
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 15:42
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Not long ago we hosted a pork eating East African Muslim who loved our dog and wore Western clothes.

Iranian women, at great risk are adopting Western dress again.

Taking a stroll on evening in Dubai Mrs PN was ogled by single West Asian men.

There is a thread here and it isn't religion.
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 16:22
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https://news.sky.com/story/sky-data-...acist-11465688

Seems to suggest the media are more upset about the comment than the general public.

Personally, I have no problem with the hijab - headscarf that covers hair and leaves face exposed. Agree totally with a niqab and burka being totally inappropriate in ridiculous.
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 16:48
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NO......He should not..!!!!

Just wonder why, if it is such a great idea to walk around with your face covered, men do not do it a well,
seems only to be "de rigeur" for women??
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 17:07
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
Is there a death sentence for the 'white hooded' person that sitigeltfel's post depicted if that person actively leaves that 'cult'?
Is there a death sentence for the 'black hooded' person that sitigeltfel's post depicted if that person actively leaves that 'cult'?

I find both to be abhorrent, but this difference between those two hooded cults makes the one that takes away that personal choice of association with that cult to be even more abhorrent.
Well to answer your first question, and I admit I'm not overly familiar with the internal rules of the organisation the sociopath and indeed several other psychotic conditions, belongs to, but, probably not. Even the legal system had difficultly in ensuring this was the case.

The second question, well that's a bit more complex, depends of course how you view apostates because over a few centuries, give or take, just about every religion has never been averse to murdering members or indeed non members come to that.

Thus to the vexed question of semantics and the English language and grammar.

As far as I am aware, the lady is a member of a mainstream religious faith but, not being churlish, I do accept that, as with every religious faith there are those on the fringe so to speak who may well have decided to form their own cults.....that's cults without the " " in case you were confused.

However, the aforementioned sociopath was a member of a cult and a very odious cult at that. Can you make the distinction here ?

Dan Brown.....no amnesia on my part, selective or otherwise although I did forget to get some grapefruit for breakfast last week if that constitutes amnesia, but on your part, the inevitable JB reference to "peace and love " whilst attempting to correlate the vast majority of peaceful Muslims with the radical extremists.

ORAC...tsk, not one of your better efforts with that link really. You did, I take it, read the opening paragraphs which should have given you a clue the piece was satirical or are Muslim women now banned from having a sense of humour ?

The above therefore in stark contrast to Boris, who many feel is the victim of the media and hasn't really upset too many people....apart from his own party that is....elsewhere. Because as has been said innumerable times before, the focus of Boris is on Boris and nothing or nobody else. This "buffoonery " is a carefully crafted image to woo the public...works for quite a few on JB it seems...... but the problem is that over time, this image has slipped somewhat and thus far his address has not included 10 Downing street. For Boris, it's essential to remain in the eyes and minds of the public which can lead to desperation on his part hence the latest offering to ensure we can't forget him.

Unfortunately, for Boris that is, he chose a topic that was guaranteed to attract widespread criticism which, along with his petulance at a certain country house in Bucks recently, hasn't exactly worked in Boris's favour.
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 17:15
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ORAC...tsk, not one of your better efforts with that link really. You did, I take it, read the opening paragraphs which should have given you a clue the piece was satirical or are Muslim women now banned from having a sense of humour ?
I presume, therefore, you think Boris was being serious about the resemblance of the burqa to a letterbox or bank robber costume? Or is like only black rappers being able to use the N word?
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 17:25
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KnC as ever supporting the oppressors of women for one simple reason: attempting to 'points score' against his political foes. "My enemy's enemy is my friend - regardless if my enemy's enemy is wrong or not"

(NB, to me all religions are 'cults'.)
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 17:43
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I have no time for Boris Johnson and his populist rants, HOWEVER the problem here is not that what he said was insulting, it is the undoubted fact that in some circles in UK, and I'm sure in many other countries there is a "humour deficit". What would have been laughed about 20 years ago is now seized upon by people as being some sort of affront upon their person, their religion, their ethnicity - and often all three.

Personally, I do have a problem with the wearing of Burkas in public - what happens behind closed door, frankly I couldn't care a fig about. I would like to think that anyone turning up at the UK Border in a burka should be forced to uncover their face at the immigration desk, or be refused entry; and banks and other businesses should be within their rights to refuse entry to people so clothed, for the same reasons that banks refuse access to people wearing motorcycle crash helmets.

I suppose that makes me more extreme than Boris. Yet, I don't conform to the stereotypical "Boris defender" being an ardent remainer, and a voter that floats between all three parties, dependent upon which one has the least extreme policies.
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 17:43
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