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Old 20th Jun 2018, 03:10
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Fake Speed Camera in UK

Below is from an e-mail sent to me yesterday and although it's about the UK and not New Zealand I did find it interesting:-

An eccentric inventor has created an inflatable fake speed camera for people to put up outside their homes.
"Shed Simove" invented the inflatable Gatso, which you can blow up like a beach ball...
"Shed" sought clarification of the legal position of selling the inflatable cameras in the UK from his local Police Force and got this reply:
Depending on where they are erected, there could be an offence contrary to Section 22A of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (Causing danger
to road users). This carries a maximum of seven years in prison.
Additionally, if an accident were to occur as a result of the fake camera, those responsible could find themselves being sued by the victims.

Whatever you think of the "invention", don't you agree it's very interesting that the Police's first reaction was to assume that speed cameras can
cause accidents?
As Motorists, we see day in and day out how Government agencies cause extremely dangerous road conditions by the mis-use of speed cameras
on "Smart Motorways". It's hard to get the stats but we're convinced that these cameras have caused hundreds of accidents since their introduction.
However, no jail sentences have been ever been issued to a key decision maker at -- say -- Highways England for example...
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Old 20th Jun 2018, 06:29
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Edinburgh police have been using a dummy camera cop.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/6417...s-not-working/

Double standards, hypocrisy and a few other phrases spring to mind!
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Old 20th Jun 2018, 07:42
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Associated with private fake cams, and I have seen a few, why do we have some real ones covered up and labelled Not in Use?
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Old 20th Jun 2018, 08:22
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Oh, good, another speed camera thread...
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Old 20th Jun 2018, 08:22
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The police did not assume that speed cameras cause accidents. Use of the word 'if' made that clear. Also, the police clarified the possible "causing danger to road users" issue, by saying "Depending on where they are erected, there could be an offence
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I have seen no evidence of accidents caused by speed cameras on smart motorways and I use them frequently. In fact, I was talking to somebody about my journey to Heathrow and how it had changed since the London end of the M3 became 'smart'. The journey from Basingstoke takes pretty much the same time regardless of the time I make the trip. Previously, I would not go anywhere near the M3 between 06:00 and 08:00, now it makes no difference what time I start my journey. The only part of the journey that gets me exercised is the behaviour of idiots for whom speed limits are irrelevant. More than once have I seen warning signs saying, for example, "Debris in Road", accompanied by a 50mph speed restriction and the idiots continue their quest for the speed of sound!
sitigeltfel: I hope you don't think I am picking on you but may I point out a small issue with your 2 lines above.
Edinburgh police have been using a dummy camera cop.
No they are not! While I accept your report came not from a newspaper but a rag. However, even that carried a line saying the dummy cop is 'allegedly' owned by the local council. The 'local council' is not a nom de guerre used by Police Scotland!
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Old 20th Jun 2018, 19:19
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Dunno about now but every year around the Daytona 200, there were many inflatable policemen at the wheels of ostentatiously parked police vehicles. I have been told that that It was remarkable how well they compared to the real thing in appearance, intelligence etc.

After an excellent landing etc...
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Old 20th Jun 2018, 22:16
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Did read several years ago that in East Lothian when Plod had set up a mobile speed camera on the A1 the officer was surprised to find a reading on his gun of circa 350MPH

Then he realized the gun had locked onto a low flying Tornado from Luchars

Plod wrote jokingly to the air station and the reply was that the pilot had only just in time disarmed the anti radar missile he was carrying ..
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Old 20th Jun 2018, 22:23
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Originally Posted by Kiltrash View Post
Did read several years ago that in East Lothian when Plod had set up a mobile speed camera on the A1 the officer was surprised to find a reading on his gun of circa 350MPH

Then he realized the gun had locked onto a low flying Tornado from Luchars

Plod wrote jokingly to the air station and the reply was that the pilot had only just in time disarmed the anti radar missile he was carrying ..
Oh no, not that hoary old myth again ...

Did a hand-held police radar unit almost cause the launching of a missile?
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Old 21st Jun 2018, 17:03
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The only reason a fake speed camera might cause an accident is if someone who was speeding and/or not paying attention suddenly saw it and braked sharply. This might also happen with a real camera and it's entirely down to failings on the part of the driver who is the one who should be prosecuted. But then I'm not a lawyer.
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Old 21st Jun 2018, 17:27
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Surely the police's response regarding potential danger to road users is nothing to do with the fact it looks like a speed camera. It's presumably because if you erect an item that size alongside the road, you are potentially obscuring road signs, sight lines to other obstructions / corners etc. A genuine speed camera location would have been hazard analysed for all this. The legal view must be that you should be driving at or below the limit anyway, and therefore a speed camera is not a factor to cause you to vary your driving in any way.

In addition, if it falls over (inflatable? blows over?) and causes a cyclist to swerve around it into the path of a car - or a car to swerve into anything else...could you deal with the ensuing criminal and / or civil liability that would doubtless ensue in this litigious day and age?
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