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Keyless car threat ???

Old 14th May 2018, 22:56
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Keyless car threat ???

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/mo...d0032297c4e668

Is it just me or are people really that unaware that the car engine is still running when they get out? If people hadn't died I would have thought this was a wind up

Shades of the motor home owner who switched on cruise control & went down the back to make a cuppa (apocryphal)
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Old 14th May 2018, 23:14
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About 18 months ago I suffered some pathology in me headbone which left me with Cochlea Hydrops*. I'm seriously fed up with this damage and can well understand someone with a quiet Lexus walking away while not hearing a sound from the engine.

Yep, my feeling is there should be software overrides. And extractors in garages triggered by fumes.

* I hear birdsong, rustling of plastic etc., and even deep voices, but many speaking frequencies are destroyed. Bummer, since I'd just had two carpal tunnel operations so I could play the piano again.
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Old 14th May 2018, 23:18
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Modern cars are extremely well soundproofed, with the windows up and the radio turned on drivers often miss the sirens from emergency vehicles.

With a bit of noise going on and a distracted driver I can easily understand how it happens.
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Old 14th May 2018, 23:45
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There’s a tach right on front of you—switch OFF, see that RPM goes to zero. Pretty simple but beyond today’s prats.

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Old 15th May 2018, 00:26
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Pretty simple but beyond today’s prats.
Easy to say. I have a car that has no warning of headlights left on when the engine is stopped, key removed etc. I even have a large dymo. label stuck on the panel close to the key socket tha says .. Headlights - OFF ? and I still often leave them on if I've used them in daylight fog/heavy rain, and parked outside.

Murphy is always with us.

Just what was the point of removing the ignition switch from the key function ? Make these new abominations Murphy Proof.
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Old 15th May 2018, 00:47
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Just what was the point of removing the ignition switch from the key function ?
I'm guessing convenience and the 'cool factor' - marketing considerations.

Trading the cable/lever arrangement of transmission and steering interlocks for solenoids reduces labor and materials, and since most modern cars already use radio-to-key communication for anti-theft, dropping the complexity of the old mechanical cylinder in favor of a big plastic power button adds to the savings.
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Old 15th May 2018, 02:16
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Originally Posted by ExSp33db1rd View Post
Just what was the point of removing the ignition switch from the key function ? Make these new abominations Murphy Proof.
'Safety' is probably another reason. My Subaru has a driver's knee airbag, and warns you not to put a metal tag on the key because it might be blasted across the car at speed if the airbag goes off.

Which, I just realized, means I probably shouldn't have my spare house keys on there like I currently do.

Remove the key, and there's no risk of being injured that way. You just suffocate instead.
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Old 15th May 2018, 04:09
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Great idea

No longer does a driver have to suffer the drudgery of inserting a metal key into the ignition slot and turning it to start their car


As long as the fob is nearby all one has to do is press the start button and you’re off


Magic, although it would be convenient to have a receptacle to put the key fob, perhaps on the side of the steering wheel where you couldn’t lose it



Pointless, technology for technologies sake and an answer to a problem that doesn’t exist
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While on the subject the engines on the 727 and the MD80 are almost impossible to hear in the cockpit when they’re running


You know where this is going, once in a while the new crew or maintenance would find an engine running after the inbound pilots were long gone having been less than meticulous with their parking checklist
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One of our cars is keyless, the other two are occasionally semi-keyless. This occurs after my wife has used them and I can never find the f%#@&ng keys!
With the keyless one she also pulls the trick of puting one set in her handbag/pocket before driving it, then not returning them to the key box when she returns. Later she will forget she already has one and will take the second set on the next trip. Then, if I need to move or use the car, I can never find the bloody keys as they are buried in a bag or pocket somewhere! She always denies it until a search proves otherwise.
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Old 15th May 2018, 05:23
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Leftleg, my wife is the same, she will say "The key is in my bag" but omit to tell me which of her 24 bags she was using yesterday.

At least with a keyless set-up, those movies where the intrepid CIA agent snaps the ignition switch off the steering column and amidst sparks and smoke, manages to get the car going, will be a fading memory. Hotwiring must be a dying trade.
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Old 15th May 2018, 05:57
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Mrs VJ's car is keyless. She carries a key in her bag all the time. Approach the car and the door unlocks. Leave the car with her bag in hand and it locks again. No buttons to push except the starter to start and stop the engine. We have a spare key kept in a drawer so I can use the car if I need to. It also came with remote start which is a blessing when it is minus 15 outside however I would not want to keep it in an attached garage. Seems like a recipe for disaster. No chance in our house, the garage is so full of workshop stuff we haven't used one for cars since we were married, forty odd years!
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Old 15th May 2018, 05:58
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
One of our cars is keyless, the other two are occasionally semi-keyless. This occurs after my wife has used them and I can never find the f%#@&ng keys!
With the keyless one she also pulls the trick of puting one set in her handbag/pocket before driving it, then not returning them to the key box when she returns. Later she will forget she already has one and will take the second set on the next trip. Then, if I need to move or use the car, I can never find the bloody keys as they are buried in a bag or pocket somewhere! She always denies it until a search proves otherwise.
Never.

Mine never does that. Switches off, removes key, opens front door with other keys and then . . .

Where's the keys? In my handbag.

Where's your handbag? On the chair.

Which chair? In the kitchen (as if I haven't looked)

Which handbag? . . .

Eventually, using the tracker on my phone find it in her pocket.
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Old 15th May 2018, 06:17
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My son used to work for a well known car hire company. His boss delivered a brand new, keyless entry Ford to a customer who was impatiently waiting to drive away (from England to Scotland). The car was left running due to the bad weather. After the customer had driven off, my son's boss returned to the office where after a while he discovered he still had the car keys in his pocket.
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Old 15th May 2018, 06:55
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
My son used to work for a well known car hire company. His boss delivered a brand new, keyless entry Ford to a customer who was impatiently waiting to drive away (from England to Scotland). The car was left running due to the bad weather. After the customer had driven off, my son's boss returned to the office where after a while he discovered he still had the car keys in his pocket.
One of our cars beeps at you if you try walking away while the engine is running. Simples.
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Old 15th May 2018, 07:18
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Some Toyota's beep at you very loudly if you walk away from the car with the fob, when the car is still switched on, or at least the hybrids do, and always have done since they first used keyless entry. I assumed the loud beep is there because a hybrid will usually be almost completely silent when turned on but stationary, as the engine most probably won't be running. I find it hard to see how someone with normal hearing could miss the beep, TBH, as it's embarrassingly loud when it goes off in any public area, it's at alarm-like levels, and may well use the alarm sounder. In a garage I would have thought it would seem a lot louder.

The bigger concern I have with keyless entry is the increased risk of theft from those thieves equipped with the amplified repeaters that can be bought on the web. These spoof the car into thinking that the fob is nearby, even though it may be inside the house. The fix for this risk we adopted a year or so ago now was to fit a metal key box on the wall. We are both in the habit of just hanging our keys in that box now, and it should provide enough screening to prevent the amplified repeater trick from working.

I happen to like keyless entry a lot, as it's one of those things that seems to add convenience. Not having to fumble around for a key or remote, perhaps in the dark, or when you've got your hands full, is handy. Being able to remotely turn the car heating/cooling on ten minutes before you get into it is another feature that's genuinely useful, especially with plug-in cars, where the pre-heating/cooling will work from the car charger, so saving fuel with a plug-in hybrid, or battery charge with an EV.
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Old 15th May 2018, 07:22
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Magic, although it would be convenient to have a receptacle to put the key fob, perhaps on the side of the steering wheel where you couldn’t lose it
Volvo hears you and understands - or at least they used to.

It also came with remote start which is a blessing when it is minus 15 outside however I would not want to keep it in an attached garage. Seems like a recipe for disaster.
I would have that option disabled and if it is disabled merely by software rather than hardware, like a rating plug, I might not want that car at all. I wonder if there is a safety switch for maintenance work.
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Old 15th May 2018, 08:13
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On recent episode of ‘Grand Tour’ someone turned off a keyless BMW while on a racetrack. When they came to start it again, no-one could remember who had the ‘key’. So they left it there.
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Old 15th May 2018, 09:25
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There’s a tach right on front of you—switch OFF, see that RPM goes to zero. Pretty simple but beyond today’s prats.
That's not always so,
My car has this annoying 'Eco' system which stops the engine when the car is stopped. I parked the other day and the engine was off so I locked up and went into the store, On return to the car, a man in the car park told me that the engine had been running. I hadn't actually switched the engine off (it's an on/off button -Jag) as I thought the engine was off - obviously no revs showing and no engine noise.
Easily done, even though I had the key fob with me.
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Old 15th May 2018, 09:30
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My Renault is keyless, but the keyless entry is disabled if you lock it with the remote button or use the "panic button" in the drivers door handle, would hope that stops the repeater trick at least.
It is very handy when shopping etc though.
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