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Motorway speed limits- does the UK have it right?

Old 4th May 2018, 12:50
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That's always seemed a sensible idea to me, although I think I'd argue that the speed restriction in the wet should be a bit lower than the French have set it at.
I can assure you that nobody takes any notice of the 'rain' speed limit. They slow down (a bit) when they can't see)

The 130kph limit on the peage is pretty much obeyed and that does allow you to get places but I would say that the roads here are very different to the UK in terms of flow and the number of cars on your part of the autoroute at any one time. It's still possible to be driving on the A10 to Bordeaux during winter and not see another car for a minute or so.
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Old 4th May 2018, 13:08
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Ah, but if we are going to bring up French restrictions maybe a health warning for potential summer vistors whilst we are on the subject:

The general and long standing main road 90 km/h limit is about to be lowered to an agricultural 80 km/h on all single carriageway departmental roads, non-dual route nationals etc...

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/societe/securite-routiere/limitation-de-la-vitesse-a-80-km-h/





All in the interests of emissions and road safety but the feeling locally is accident rates could go up...............(judging by what I saw yesterday some are already out practising)
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Old 4th May 2018, 13:12
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
However, the in-car speed limit display falls over when driving on a motorway with variable speed limits in force, as the display always shows the motorway limit at 70mph, not the variable limit in force at that instant.
Well that's crap, isn't it. But having chosen to buy crap kit isn't an excuse for breaking the law, just like using crap GPS kit isn't an excuse for juggernaut drivers going down stupidly narrow lanes and demolishing houses.

Simple answer: don't buy crap kit and then rely on it whilst your brain is switched off.
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Old 4th May 2018, 13:18
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On some roads at some times trucks are limited to lane one which then has a defacto limit of 56. I now use a short section of the A1 and frequently use lane 1 which has the occasional truck whereas lane 2 is frequently led by a truck and a bunch of cars.

Inevitably, as the gradient increases, that truck slows to co-speed or slower and I start to undertake the queue of cars to my right.

One solution would be a mandatory give way rule. Another to keep trucks out of lane 2.
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Old 4th May 2018, 13:19
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“Common sense applied to enforcement “? Not going to happen. Most enforcement is by whatever speed the camera is set at;
That's precisely what I was getting at.
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Old 4th May 2018, 13:22
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Never saw a police car, never got a ticket and never had any other car making rude gestures at me.
If you were surprised by that, how do you normally drive?
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Old 4th May 2018, 13:31
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We should go back to the "85th percentile" system of setting speed limits. This repays reading...
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Old 4th May 2018, 13:42
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Originally Posted by D SQDRN 97th IOTC View Post
I recall a few years ago there was a proposal to raise the UK motorway speed limit. Then all went quiet.
is 70mph the right limit?
Whenever I'm driving there if the amount of traffic is such that I can actually get to 70 its a good day. Raising the speed limit isn't going to help in the car park of the M25
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Old 4th May 2018, 13:46
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Some contributors obviously haven't realised that the speed limit for HGVs on motorways was fairly recently increased to 60 mph..
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Old 4th May 2018, 14:12
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Well that's crap, isn't it. But having chosen to buy crap kit isn't an excuse for breaking the law, just like using crap GPS kit isn't an excuse for juggernaut drivers going down stupidly narrow lanes and demolishing houses.

Simple answer: don't buy crap kit and then rely on it whilst your brain is switched off.
Well that's a bit overly-offensive, in my view, especially as I qualified that statement by stating that one reason for using it is because the local authority around here are bloody awful at clearing overgrown and obscured 40mph signs.

As an example, as I drove along the A30 this morning, only one of the 40mph signs that I passed could be seen, every single other one on the stretch I drove down was hidden behind trees/shrubs. The 30mph signs are visible enough, and I spotted one derestriction sign, but I know full well there are three 40mph zones along that stretch, with maybe five or six 40mph signs, or the smaller reminder signs, more or less completely hidden.

As it happens there are virtually no police around at the moment, (my guess is that they are all in Salisbury right now, judging by the dozen or so I saw around The Maltings and The Mill) and there are no speed cameras along that stretch of road either, so the chance of being caught for accidentally speeding would be close to zero, plus I suspect one could argue that if the speed limit signs are obscured (and dash cam footage would pretty much prove this to be the case) then the chances are any speeding fine/ticket could successfully be challenged, anyway.
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Old 4th May 2018, 14:36
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
Some contributors obviously haven't realised that the speed limit for HGVs on motorways was fairly recently increased to 60 mph..
And there are a lot of LGVs still limited to 56MPH. Making those use non M-roads could push pollution and prices up
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Old 4th May 2018, 14:45
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Raise the speed limits ?

Back home in The Fatherland, we always used to say that even a 50km drive along the autobahn was only for those with suicidal tendencies or suffering from severe constipation. Idiots in all sorts of BMWs, Mercedes and Porsches ' cruising ' at 180 kph or 200 kph becuse they could.

For all its faults, the French system and limits seem to work well - especially since they started installing camers about every 5kms along the autoroutes...And don't I know - four tickets in the last six months, including one for 132 kph and another for 114 kph.- along the A8.

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Old 4th May 2018, 15:07
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Indeed, the French 'buffer' is very small. I was pinged in suburbia for 73kph & 74kph in 70 limit. The penalty was IMHO far and above the level of the crime. I prefer eyes up than down in high risk areas.
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Old 4th May 2018, 15:25
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Originally Posted by RAT 5 View Post
Indeed, the French 'buffer' is very small. I was pinged in suburbia for 73kph & 74kph in 70 limit. The penalty was IMHO far and above the level of the crime. I prefer eyes up than down in high risk areas.

No buffer at all, it seems.

Our old Nissan has an ' analogue ' Cruise Control which I always think I've set at about 125 / 128 kph, but I'm not convinced it's sufficiently accurate to avoid the ineveitable tickets at just 131 or 132 kph as we can still get a ' Pass ' on our Technical Control with an inoperative Speedo ! Maybe mine is showing about 5% slower than actual speed, but how can I check it ?

Last year in Portugal we hired a new-ish Peugeot with a ' glass cockpit ' which had the option to set maximum speed both in Cruise Control and ' ordinary ' mode. Simply dial in the desired speed, and presumably avoid the tickets.
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Old 4th May 2018, 16:11
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
how can I check it ?
If you have a phone with GPS (basically any smartphone/iPhone) there are hundreds of GPS speedometer apps available.
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Old 4th May 2018, 16:14
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
Some contributors obviously haven't realised that the speed limit for HGVs on motorways was fairly recently increased to 60 mph..
I hadn't realised that, but just checked on the Highway Code website and it says "The speed limits in Scotland remain the same and European speed limiter requirements also remain unchanged and must be set at 56mph or lower" Since LGVs have to have limiters, and that they have to be set to 90km/h (56 mph) how are the majority of LGVs expected to ever attain the higher speed limit?

I assume, but I didn't know, that trucks operating solely within the UK do not have to abide by the 56 mph limiter regulation. Sounds slightly barmy to me, but I'm sure someone will clarify.

As regards speed limits in general, for as long as UK lane discipline is as bad as it is, then probably raising the speed limit will only add to driver's frustration. The UK has to find a way of improving lane discipline, which must be some of the very worst in northern Europe. If that means demanding the test requires motorway driving, even if that means that people in areas such as East Anglia where motorways are as rare as hen's teeth have to travel to take there test so be it. Either that or ban drivers who haven't taken a motorway test from using the roads. This bank holiday, like every other one, will be a nightmare with infrequent drivers on M-ways clogging the 2nd lane (2nd and 3rd on 4 -lane roads). In fact, the system runs much better weekdays with more governed trucks and less Sunday drivers.

With properly trained drivers then 80mph on quieter sections should be the norm, but probably no more than 60 mph on congested sections in urban areas with more frequent junctions. That's about how it works in much of Germany, where for the most part the limit is 130 km/h but drops almost a as norm to 100 around cities. There's not many Autobahn stretches in western Germany that remain derestricted - a few more in the east in my memory.
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Old 4th May 2018, 16:18
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
If you were surprised by that, how do you normally drive?

It would seem that certain drivers see it as their right to police the speed limits themselves, by either deliberately slowing down or closing gaps to prevent safe overtaking and making it unsafe.

Some me of the worst/arrogant drivers appear in the Derby area. Only my opinion of driving through there.
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Old 4th May 2018, 16:22
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Ironically on UK motorways, 70mph is the one speed that nobody ever drives at...
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Old 4th May 2018, 16:26
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It would seem that certain drivers see it as their right to police the speed limits themselves, by either deliberately slowing down or closing gaps to prevent safe overtaking and making it unsafe.

Some me of the worst/arrogant drivers appear in the Derby area. Only my opinion of driving through there.
I wouldn't disagree with that, but my theory is that many of these drivers probably set of 2-3 hours previously from London, returning home, and have become fatigued / irritated by the seemingly constant road works that have been on the M1 between London and J28 for the last gawd knows how many years. The latest effort between J23A and J25 cause horrendous problems every day, worst northbound on Fridays. If they sort out the dogs breakfast that is that stretch and the dysfunctional junctions at J24 and J25 after they've finished - great, however the track record of road designers in UK doesn't fill me with much confidence.
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