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Old 16th Apr 2018, 09:32
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I am surprised there has been no comment on this today on JB. It will be interesting to see if UK population will be given a vote on the terms which eventually get negotiated. As a Dual national (Swiss) we are always having referendums on items - some are very local, and to be honest inconsequential, but you also get to vote on the final decision after the item has been examined. It will be interesting to see if the UK also does this or just ploughs on, as the Swiss referendum system gets mentioned many times as a good example by Brexiters.

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Old 16th Apr 2018, 10:37
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The government in power doesn’t want this. It’s decisions cannot be challenged by a popular vote, Q.E.D.
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A campaign as opposed to a party - and unlikely to get an tremendous support I feel. Most polls show, regardless of how they voted, the majority now think it’s too far down the road to stop and it just needs to get over and done with as soon as possible.

Of interest the campaign has been in the planning for several months and its main planner and sponsor is George Soros. It was discussed in the papers back in February.
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main planner and sponsor is George Soros
Maybe he is hoping the £ will rocket and he can make another fortune.

Or collapse and still make a another fortune.
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 13:11
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Are you serious?

Do you honestly think there will be a national vote (again) after so much work has been done and we are over 50% of the way down the Brexit process?
Who - in their right mind would unearth and ditch all that effort by offering another effing vote.

Get real.

I also heard it was Soros and he has injected millions into setting this up. Apparently it is desgined to cut across politics and embrace all walks of life.

Too little, too late Georgy boy..............
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I do wonder how many people who said there should have never been a referendum in the first place are now calling for a new referendum?
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 13:25
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I see one of their spokesman advocating another vote is Sir Patrick Stewart - all the way from his home in New York. Shades of Sean Connery espousing the benefits of Scottish Independence from his house in Marbella.

But back to their proposal, I dont think anyone would would object to a peoples vote on the final deal if it was to accept the deal or leave without one - but somehow I dont think that is what they are asking for...
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I guess their plan is to keep having referenda in the hope they will eventually get the answer they want.
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Bunch of absolute tossers
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 14:59
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Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes View Post
I guess their plan is to keep having referenda in the hope they will eventually get the answer they want.
Which is exactly what the EU and ardent supporters do and then the matter is closed.
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ooh look! Another Brexit thread. This will be fun.
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 17:37
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Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes View Post
I guess their plan is to keep having referenda in the hope they will eventually get the answer they want.
Wot, you mean like the #brexit side did?
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Wot, you mean like the #brexit side did?
No, like the UK did; as in 8 March 1973: Northern Ireland – Northern Ireland sovereignty referendum on whether Northern Ireland should remain part of the United Kingdom or join the Republic of Ireland (yes to remaining part of the UK)

5 June 1975: UK – Membership of the European Community referendum on whether the UK should stay in the European Community (yes)

18 September 1997: Wales – Welsh devolution referendum on whether there should be a National Assembly for Wales (yes)

7 May 1998: London – Greater London Authority referendum on whether there should be a Mayor of London and Greater London Authority (yes)

22 May 1998: Northern Ireland – Northern Ireland Belfast Agreement referendum on the Good Friday Agreement (yes)

3 March 2011: Wales - Welsh devolution referendum on whether the National Assembly for Wales should gain the power to legislate on a wider range of matters (yes)

5 May 2011: UK – referendum on whether to change the voting system for electing MPs to the House of Commons from first past the post to the alternative vote (no, first past the post will continue to be used to elect MPs to the House of Commons)

Just a few examples.

Do you think it would be a good idea, having made huge steps forward for peace in NI, it would be a good idea to revisit and have another vote - just to make sure the paramilitaries really agreed to come to the table and that they just might have changed their minds?

I don’t vote with the majority on a few of the UK’s past referendums but that’s democracy, sometimes you don’t get the result you as an individual wanted.
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Wot, you mean like the #brexit side did?

No, like the UK did; as in 8 March 1973: Northern Ireland – Northern Ireland sovereignty referendum on whether Northern Ireland should remain part of the United Kingdom or join the Republic of Ireland (yes to remaining part of the UK)

5 June 1975: UK – Membership of the European Community referendum on whether the UK should stay in the European Community (yes)

18 September 1997: Wales – Welsh devolution referendum on whether there should be a National Assembly for Wales (yes)

7 May 1998: London – Greater London Authority referendum on whether there should be a Mayor of London and Greater London Authority (yes)

22 May 1998: Northern Ireland – Northern Ireland Belfast Agreement referendum on the Good Friday Agreement (yes)

3 March 2011: Wales - Welsh devolution referendum on whether the National Assembly for Wales should gain the power to legislate on a wider range of matters (yes)

5 May 2011: UK – referendum on whether to change the voting system for electing MPs to the House of Commons from first past the post to the alternative vote (no, first past the post will continue to be used to elect MPs to the House of Commons)

Just a few examples.

Do you think it would be a good idea, having made huge steps forward for peace in NI, it would be a good idea to revisit and have another vote - just to make sure the paramilitaries really agreed to come to the table and that they just might have changed their minds?

I don’t vote with the majority on a few of the UK’s past referendums but that’s democracy, sometimes you don’t get the result you as an individual wanted.

In all referendums since they started in the 1970s the government obtained the result it wanted except in one: 23 June 2016.

Now that the government has lost control of the referendum process, no government will risk another.

We have had our last ever referendum, it's as simple as that.
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Wot, you mean like the #brexit side did?
Madam May quits in 2021-apparently.....
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Those terms will be thrashed out by negotiation and its entirely possible that NOBODY will be impressed. That doesn’t mean anyone on either side has changed their mind. What is the plan if the vote is to reject the terms?
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Those terms will be thrashed out by negotiation and its entirely possible that NOBODY will be impressed. That doesn’t mean anyone on either side has changed their mind. What is the plan if the vote is to reject the terms?
Leave with no deal, which is probably better than the disasterous deal we appear to be heading towards, including the never-ending "transition" (vassal state). Say no to no say.

BTW why is the £37 billion ransom not dependent on a good deal for the UK?
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