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On the eve of war

Old 18th Jun 2019, 10:27
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It's all a game to them, everything and all of them. Even Donald has said so.
1,000 pawns moved on the 4D chessboard. Hundreds of thousands on the others.
Those making the moves will never shed their blood or face real deep gut fear. Their hair will not turn white overnight.
They will die rich in bed or keel over in a hall of government or collapse on a rug, having made their ham-fisted moves in the game.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 10:28
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix View Post
Why is Iran like a leopard?

Ain't never gonna change its spots.

Why can't we have leopards in this earthly 'zoo' of ours too?
It’s just how things are, don’t fight it.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...yaMqkLgC87fRo4
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 12:08
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Originally Posted by Stan Woolley View Post
Yes, but where is your evidence that these people (mad conspiracy theorists) aren’t often (always?) right?
It's not often that you hear the terms "conspiracy theorist" and "evidence" in the same sentence.

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Old 18th Jun 2019, 13:22
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Those making the moves will never shed their blood or face real deep gut fear.
Hmm... is that why they can‘t leave their castles without their bodyguards?
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 14:14
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Material left behind after what the US said was the removal of an unexploded limpet mine.



Blast damage on the Kokuka Courageous.







https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-...?section=world
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 14:23
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Is this evidence form the same place as that which took us to war over WMD which proved to be non-existent?
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 14:39
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Originally Posted by TEEEJ View Post
Material left behind after what the US said was the removal of an unexploded limpet mine.



Blast damage on the Kokuka Courageous.






I’m no expert on mine removal, hence my question: Do you just knock them off with a sledgehammer?
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 15:30
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That is one very interesting picture, was it the case that the detonator blew but not the main charge? and having blown did the magnet slide almost vertically for two inches or as has been said, was it subject to a heavy blow from the top?, or both.

Questions, questions, wonder what the depth of water is there.

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Old 18th Jun 2019, 16:11
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Anybody else playing "Spot the difference " between the two colour images of the Iranian boat(s)?
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 16:17
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I am just waiting for the posts where it is claimed that the Americans planted them.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 16:24
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Originally Posted by Haraka View Post
Anybody else playing "Spot the difference " between the two colour images of the Iranian boat(s)?

Yes, it seems the photos aren't of the same boat, but either of two different boats. Only small differences, but differences all the same.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 18:15
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
I am just waiting for the posts where it is claimed that the Americans planted them.
You should pay more attention!
It would of course be a complete first, the americans faking information... late weapons of mass destruction in Iraq...
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 19:25
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Originally Posted by TEEEJ View Post
Material left behind after what the US said was the removal of an unexploded limpet mine.



Blast damage on the Kokuka Courageous.







https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-...?section=world
There is a neat round hole just to the right of the bigger jagged one. It looks like someone has had a go at drilling, perhaps to rivet a plate patch. So maybe the Iranians are the good guys, responded to a distress call from the ship and tried to patch up the hole.
Nevertheless the whole thing looks very amateurish. No self respecting military unit would have done such a bodge up job. The mine would have been planted below the waterline, that`s where its meant to go.
So that leaves the suspect as an agent provocateur intended to stir up a bit of trouble for the Iranians, without sinking the vessel and causing a massive spillage. They wouldn`t have wanted to offend any of these save the planet activists types.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 20:53
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Originally Posted by Imagegear View Post
That is one very interesting picture, was it the case that the detonator blew but not the main charge? and having blown did the magnet slide almost vertically for two inches or as has been said, was it subject to a heavy blow from the top?, or both.

Questions, questions, wonder what the depth of water is there.

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The photo is apparently from what was left behind after the mine was removed.

Aluminum and green composite material the US says was left behind following the removal of an unexploded limpet mine on a Japanese-owned tanker



US photos show a large hole on the side of the Courageous, above the water line, that officials say appears to have been caused by another mine​​​​​​​



What the US says is internal hull penetration and blast damage from a mine​​​​​​​



From

https://news.sky.com/story/us-milita...lasts-11743758
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 21:10
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Originally Posted by Haraka View Post
Anybody else playing "Spot the difference " between the two colour images of the Iranian boat(s)?
Can you point them out? Uncropped image of the Gashti Class patrol boat.

A U.S. military image released by the Pentagon in Washington on June 17, shows what the Pentagon says are members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy photographed from a U.S. Navy MH-60R helicopter after removing an unexploded limpet mine from the M/T Kokuka Courageous, a Japanese owned commercial motor tanker, after it was attacked with another mine which did explode on June 13, 2019. U.S. Navy




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https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mi...-idUKKCN1TI2PN
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 22:45
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This whole incident serves as an excellent example of how a group or regime can carry out an attack or provocation and then simply deny it. Bomb a hospital, school or carry out a gas attack. Then deny it in the relaxed knowledge that there are plenty of useful idiots who'll believe them. No matter what the evidence.

So the Iranians annoyed by sanctions are making a point. They could have put the mines below the waterline. But there's no need to sink the ships. Damaging them is sufficient. The Americans get the message and the useful idiots will believe it's really the Americans. It's a win win for the Iranians.

​​​​​They know the Americans won't go to war over this. Really it's a prelude to some form of negotiations operating from a perceived position of strength. Tweaking the American Eagle's tail feathers. It's willy waving and sabre rattling.

I imagine they feel they've made their point now.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 00:45
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Originally Posted by Steepclimb View Post
Then deny it in the relaxed knowledge that there are plenty of useful idiots who'll believe them. No matter what the evidence.
What, the evidence from the crew members on the ship said they saw a projectile hitting the hull, not a mine, which totally contradicts the US government’s story?

I remember that in 2003 anyone who was against the Iraq war in the lead up was called a “useful idiot for Saddam”, a “nutjob conspiracy theorist”’ or a “coward” and a member of the “axis of weasel”.

Classic war propaganda, denigrate and insult anyone who is against war in any way possible.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 08:18
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post


What, the evidence from the crew members on the ship said they saw a projectile hitting the hull, not a mine, which totally contradicts the US government’s story?

I remember that in 2003 anyone who was against the Iraq war in the lead up was called a “useful idiot for Saddam”, a “nutjob conspiracy theorist”’ or a “coward” and a member of the “axis of weasel”.

Classic war propaganda, denigrate and insult anyone who is against war in any way possible.
I readily accept we may be talking about different ships and incidents, but looking at the recent pictures of a tanker with a hole apparently neatly punched into its side, wouldn’t there be the remnants of a projectile inside the ship? I am not an expert of any sort but I would have thought there would be something left inside as it does not look as though a massive explosion has taken place? Any experts here?
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 08:33
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Originally Posted by Chronus View Post
There is a neat round hole just to the right of the bigger jagged one. It looks like someone has had a go at drilling, perhaps to rivet a plate patch. So maybe the Iranians are the good guys, responded to a distress call from the ship and tried to patch up the hole..
Lots of discoloration underneath that nice round hole so I'd guess it's some form of drain hole that's been there for quite some time, likely since the ship was built.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 12:41
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
What, the evidence from the crew members on the ship said they saw a projectile hitting the hull, not a mine, which totally contradicts the US government’s story?

I remember that in 2003 anyone who was against the Iraq war in the lead up was called a “useful idiot for Saddam”, a “nutjob conspiracy theorist”’ or a “coward” and a member of the “axis of weasel”.

Classic war propaganda, denigrate and insult anyone who is against war in any way possible.
Nice own goal - using the same rhetorical style that you are complaining about.
I'll just say that I don't find you(r posts) useful.
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