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Old 19th Apr 2018, 11:37
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If you look up the Board for De La Rue, you have a selection of networkers; reading between the lines at least 2 of them have presided over corporate disasters such as Carillion and Microfocus. Other have been management consultants/beancounters** with organisations with form in the field of incompetence such as Deloittes. One of the De La Rue non-execs is, apparently, "Director of people and legal and is a member of the executive board, corporate security board and pensions strategy board" at British Airways, roles that she has few obvious qualifications for, but presumably she finds time for a jolly good lunch every now and again with the rest of the De La Rue board while saying "Yes" when instructed to do so by the Chairman.

** "management consultants/beancounters"; people who couldn't manage a p*****p in a brewery, probably have an MBA, and are frightfully good with spreadsheets as they drive companies into bankruptcy while taking out the cash in fees.

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Old 19th Apr 2018, 13:00
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But they have an MBA don,t you know !!!!!

Totally agree with your post.

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Old 19th Apr 2018, 20:01
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Originally Posted by Planemike View Post
Pity............!! British passports should be produced by a BRITISH company, if there is one capable of carrying out the work. De la Rue have done the job so let them carry on...
De La Rue prints passports for 39 other countries (according to today's Times). Looks like they got the tenders right for them.

old,not bold has summed it up very nicely. De La Rue basically priced too high and were correctly rejected. Do you seriously want to be taken to the cleaners by these people?
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 00:29
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I have a "Free state of California" passport issued in 1980, and it's blue. ( not tried to use it yet though!)
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 08:48
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De La Rue probably thought that with the 'Brexit' atmosphere they would most certainly get the contract and they could charge what they liked.
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 09:46
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
De La Rue probably thought that with the 'Brexit' atmosphere they would most certainly get the contract and they could charge what they liked.
Bingo - you got it in one. And they had already started to let staff members from the UK passport project go before they announced they were dropping the appeal.

Sadly it seems that their CEO isn't planning to step down - despite the fact that he should be first in line to do so having progressively stripped the company of its capabilities over the last couple of years - e.g. selling off the Overton paper mill. It'll be the second company/major business unit he has set on the path to near destruction in the last few years. How business media/finance analysts turn a blind eye to it is beyond me.
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 10:40
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 10:51
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Originally Posted by Training Risky View Post
I just don't get how awarding the contract to a foreign company who bid the lowest, (presumed that Gemalto will pay no corporation tax in UK, the bulk of this money will go to French/Dutch shops) is preferable to awarding to De La Rue who may have bid higher, but will be taxed to the hilt by our punitive tax system, ensuring that proportionately more corporation tax and income tax and VAT will flow back into the UK?
You are aware that although Gemalto are French / Dutch, they will use British factories to produce the passports?
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 13:26
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Originally Posted by Training Risky View Post
I just don't get how awarding the contract to a foreign company who bid the lowest, (presumed that Gemalto will pay no corporation tax in UK, the bulk of this money will go to French/Dutch shops) is preferable to awarding to De La Rue who may have bid higher, but will be taxed to the hilt by our punitive tax system, ensuring that proportionately more corporation tax and income tax and VAT will flow back into the UK?

Is it just me?

No, I too feel de la Rue, a British company, should have been awarded the contract to produce British passports.
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 14:07
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Originally Posted by Training Risky View Post
I just don't get how awarding the contract to a foreign company who bid the lowest, (presumed that Gemalto will pay no corporation tax in UK, the bulk of this money will go to French/Dutch shops) is preferable to awarding to De La Rue who may have bid higher, but will be taxed to the hilt by our punitive tax system, ensuring that proportionately more corporation tax and income tax and VAT will flow back into the UK?

Is it just me?
Perhaps you can show us a fully costed comparison? The Gemalto bid was 120m less than De La Rue (and will use facilities and workers in the UK) - how much corporation tax/VAT/PAYE would awarding De La Rue the contract have earned the Treasury? Remember - corporation tax is levied on profits, not the contract value.
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 14:09
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Originally Posted by Planemike View Post
No, I too feel de la Rue, a British company, should have been awarded the contract to produce British passports.
So, by that "logic" all the contracts they currently have to produce passports and currency for non-British countries - i.e. most of their business - should immediately be terminated.
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 14:32
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DLR make a lot of money (literally) printing all sorts of documents and cash for people all over the world - the Newcastle Airport thread often records the regular Airbus from there to Kuwait loaded with notes...........
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 14:37
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Originally Posted by Training Risky View Post
But when it comes to awarding a high-profile contract with national security implications - we should have done what the French do and ignore EU bidding rules. FFS we will be out of this mess in a year and the EU will be in our rear-view.
What national security implications?
Gemalto will only produce blank passports, just as de la Rue do now.
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 14:51
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
What national security implications?
Gemalto will only produce blank passports, just as de la Rue do now.
And they will also be contractually obliged to offer the same level of security as De la Rue.

Why should the fact that they are French / Dutch make their processes and premises any less secure than a British company?

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The French are very good at using state aid to prop up their companies and undercut other bidders, and that's what they have done here.
Really? I assume you have some evidence for that......
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 14:51
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Originally Posted by Training Risky View Post
The whole supply chain for UK passports is currently in the UK, from paper to the printed book with its personalisation and security features. You mess with that, there's a chance (however small) for foreign intelligence service tampering.

The French are very good at using state aid to prop up their companies and undercut other bidders, and that's what they have done here.
British companies, and those from other nations too, are also very good at taking existing customers for granted, and believing that familiarity and a lack of willingness to change supplier allows them to make a bit more from the job when the tender comes up.

In a minute scale, this is why I have to change my energy supplier and insurance companies every couple of years.

On a larger scale it's how come the big logistics companies regularly lose contracts with the major car manufacturers for distribution centre operations.
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 17:17
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Of course the campaign for "British passports must be made in Britain" is run by the Daily Mail - owned by a multi millionaire who is resident in............er France.
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