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Old 16th Mar 2018, 22:55
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Should the UN support the UK sending Russian "diplomats" home

Given the support that France, USA and other non-nuclear countries have shown to the UK on the attempted assassination on UK territory should there be a UN exceptional meeting with a view to producing a statement letting Russia know that this act is a step too far?

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Old 16th Mar 2018, 23:01
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Attempted then.
Murder now.
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 01:27
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Guess which is one of the countries that has a veto on the UN Security Council!
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 15:15
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But not the General Assembly. A Resolution adopted there could send a very strong message.

Not sure what this thread has to do with NATO though.

The Brits should offer to share their evidence with Russia, but through the OPCW.
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 15:31
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The Brits should offer to share their evidence with Russia, but through the OPCW.
According to reports this morning, that is being arranged.
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 15:41
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A Resolution adopted there could send a very strong message.
What message would it be? How would that affect Russia? How would it deter them from from conducting similar acts if they again feel the need?
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 15:59
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Why are people so determined to start WWIII?

Is it just so May doesn't have to deal with Brexit any more?
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 16:58
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Originally Posted by MG23 View Post
Why are people so determined to start WWIII?

Is it just so May doesn't have to deal with Brexit any more?
A good week to bury bad news?
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 17:05
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Now it's their turn:
https://www.rt.com/news/421568-russi...sador-skripal/
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 18:11
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Originally Posted by MG23 View Post
Why are people so determined to start WWIII?

Is it just so May doesn't have to deal with Brexit any more?
Nail on the head.

Trying to appear strong and then they let Bojo and Gavin Williamson open their gobs.
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 19:29
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Originally Posted by MG23 View Post
Why are people so determined to start WWIII?

Is it just so May doesn't have to deal with Brexit any more?
Calm down. Who is 'determined' to start WW3. Are you trying to say that it is perfectly acceptable for another country to try to terminate a person in another country using illegal nerve agents??

If you are not saying that then what is so wrong with what our government has done. Expelling 23 Russian diplomats/spies.

Hardly trying to start WW3 is it.
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 19:41
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Originally Posted by Buster15 View Post
Calm down. Who is 'determined' to start WW3. Are you trying to say that it is perfectly acceptable for another country to try to terminate a person in another country using illegal nerve agents??

If you are not saying that then what is so wrong with what our government has done. Expelling 23 Russian diplomats/spies.

Hardly trying to start WW3 is it.
Where's the proof that the Russians are the ones behind this?
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 19:47
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Where's the proof that the Russians are the ones behind this?
Not for me to answer that question; I will let the experts do that.
My point is that as far as I see it, talking about WW3 is not appropriate.
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 19:56
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What message would it be? How would that affect Russia? How would it deter them from from conducting similar acts if they again feel the need?
1. Don't with us.
2. Sanctions have already hurt them. More may be necessary.
3. Aside from #2, it's what we do, West Coast. It's how the world works, for over a century now.

If we do nothing, that's sending the message that Putin's actions are acceptable. Diplomacy 101. There must be condemnation and punitive actions taken. True, it may not prevent a future occurrence, but it puts people like Putin on notice. This is how we deal with thugs. In the past, we arranged to have such despots taken out via their own people, but those days are long gone.

Why are people so determined to start WWIII?
We are not the provocateur, MG23. Putin is.
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 20:38
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Funny how George Patton's words come to mind....
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Don't (f) with us.
to paraphrase

Because it was so effective at stopping Vlad the second time.

but it puts people like Putin on notice. This is how we deal with thugs
If I could game this out to figure that Russia would be fingered and a variety of sanctions considered, so could Vlad. He doesn’t care.
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
to paraphrase

Because it was so effective at stopping Vlad the second time.



If I could game this out to figure that Russia would be fingered and a variety of sanctions considered, so could Vlad. He doesnít care.
Correct, Putin, who holds the responsibility for this attack, knows the reactions and could not care less about them. In particularly the U.K., Russian wealth, mostly stolen, means the U.K. will do little substantive lest it collapse the London real estate market. Sanctions have proven to be useless at changing Putinís behavior, witness mysterious death this week in London. Until serious, and I mean serious actions are taken, not much will change. Seize assets, send them packing back to Moscow; might work.

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Old 18th Mar 2018, 05:43
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Wasnít there a top CIA person visiting the Ukraine days before the latest flare ups.
Bit more to this than meets the goldeneye. The ongoing Syrian debacle I would suggest are all intertwined. The speed of accusations against Putin that appear to be taken from the media! Itís a conspiracy theorist goldmine.
Makes me wonder if some posters here are on the payroll as right wing trolls?
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 10:50
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funny how the russian have gone from good guys-faith in Britain, massive inward investment (ie buying London) to bad guys ina few months. Of course its got nothing to do with Theresa and Boris hiding from the real consequences of Brexit-Inflation, collapse of retail sector, Unilever leaving UK for Netherlands . Any more than Falklands rescued St Maggie from domestic troubles .

of course the chances of Vlad actually being involved are very slim seeing as he is President of a huge country and is a busy guy and the KGB /FSB tend not to like ex members who cause problems.

How many inconvenient people have we as a nation done away with on foreign (or Imperial soil) over the eyars. Bad things happen and proportionate responses are needed but headlines like May stands up to Putin are just another pathetic Daily Mail rule Britannia story when the real news should be hows the health service this week oer why are so many High Street names are going broke, or how many Trade Deals has Foxy not got
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 11:11
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"Having given Herr Putin an ultimatum to explain . . . no such explanation being forth coming, a State of Uncertainty . . ."



Who was the idiot who wrote ULTIMATUM in her speech? Her next move could have been recall the ambassador!
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