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Old 15th Mar 2018, 18:17
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
Racedo - surely the difference is that in the West there is absolutely nothing to stop you starting up your own newspaper or radio and TV station which can be as highly critical of the government as you want. Try that in Russia and see how long you last before the FSB thugs come knocking.
What you mean UK/US don't operate in a similar way when you highlight Public abuses of power ?
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 18:21
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Lonewolf:
Another useful idiot is heard from.
Presumably this refers to me. Well, better to be useful than otherwise
VP959: Your post #34 sadly undermines the high regard I have long had for your posts.
If the Russians still had stocks of the novichok agents then it is they who should have declared them
How did the OPCW manage to certify in 2017 that all the stockpiles had been destroyed? If the OPCW was not aware of them, it would have been quite a stunt to certify the destruction. ("There are the known unknowns and there are the unknown unknown ....")
To argue that the UK should have only acted in a clear case of multiple attempted murder by a weapon of mass destruction by giving the OPCW ten days notice before doing anything is crass.
I don't know what you were smoking when you wrote that but where in my post do I mention that? Your crass, I am afraid.
It is not the OPCW's role to investigate attempted murder, go read up on what their powers are
I refer the honourable gentleman to the link which you provided. "In case of allegation of use of chemical weapons or the prohibited production, a fact-finding inspection can be employed according to the convention."
someone managed to not only acquire one of them, but also managed to acquire the knowledge, skills and access to a highly secure containment facility in which to dispense an agent into a delivery system, test it and then safely transport and deploy it pretty accurately.
is pretty much a piece of dramatisation, isn't it? This stuff is a binary agent so the transport of 2 different chemicals would not be difficult. Deploy it accurately? Then why is a lot of Salisbury and parts of Dorset being examined? If it was so accurate, it would have been confined to the BMW door handle, would it not?
Finally, may I point out my post was merely reporting on what I saw and heard when watching RT for the first time in ages. I was not expressing my own opinions.
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 18:23
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Originally Posted by vapilot2004 View Post
Sure, and I'm not disagreeing on the coverage*, but while I'm pulling news clippings, you mind gathering a few links to positive Obama pieces on Fox News. Or, here's a real challenge for ya, Breitbart? Hannity?

Rather than forcing Godwin's rule, which nonetheless would be valid here, the free press has a duty to call out the likes of Trump et al, for the lying, rabble rousing, racist despots they are.

While you're pondering all that, *consider this: A little over one year of Trump brought more improprieties, lies, deceptions, investigations, firings, resignations, governmental irregularities, ethics violations, and indictments out of his administration than the entire eight years under Obama.

What would you have the NYT do? Sit on their hands and fret over appearing too 'partisan' in reporting the truth?
Ethics violations by Obama administration were not investigated by media, they just didn't want to know.

MSM have been engaged in a negative battle with US President because he wasn't whom they chose, there is no attempt at balance.

Only only has to look at USAG Holder who quite happy to sell guns to criminals and then obstruct any investigation and thats only touching the surface.
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 18:50
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Lonewolf: Presumably this refers to me. Well, better to be useful than otherwise
VP959: Your post #34 sadly undermines the high regard I have long had for your posts.
How did the OPCW manage to certify in 2017 that all the stockpiles had been destroyed? If the OPCW was not aware of them, it would have been quite a stunt to certify the destruction. ("There are the known unknowns and there are the unknown unknown ....")
I don't know what you were smoking when you wrote that but where in my post do I mention that? Your crass, I am afraid.
I refer the honourable gentleman to the link which you provided. "In case of allegation of use of chemical weapons or the prohibited production, a fact-finding inspection can be employed according to the convention."
is pretty much a piece of dramatisation, isn't it? This stuff is a binary agent so the transport of 2 different chemicals would not be difficult. Deploy it accurately? Then why is a lot of Salisbury and parts of Dorset being examined? If it was so accurate, it would have been confined to the BMW door handle, would it not?
Finally, may I point out my post was merely reporting on what I saw and heard when watching RT for the first time in ages. I was not expressing my own opinions.
No, not all of the novichok agents are binary at all. Some are, most aren't.

Even a binary agent needs to be have a tested delivery system, and needs appropriate facilities for containment whilst developing and testing the combining and delivery system. This is not "bucket chemistry", like bomb making, the volumes of the liquids being handled are very tiny and need to be handled with extreme care.

All I know from living here is this. Sergei Skripal's car was parked in the multi storey car park right next to The Maltings, where they were found. It was towed away for having over-stayed it's parking ticket by the local towing company, Ashley Woods, who have a depot in Gillingham, Dorset. His car was a vehicle of interest to the investigation, so was recovered from Gillingham. All vehicles, and every thing that the couple came into contact with are being treated as if they were possibly contaminated, so are being recovered for investigation and decontamination. I would guess that the police consider his vehicle and it's contents to be important to their investigation for a host of reasons, not least being that it may help confirm time lines as to where they had been in the days before the attack.

With regard to the OPCW, a criminal investigation trumps an invitation from a member state to the OPCW to undertake a fact finding mission every time. Even in the Sarin attacks in Syria it was our people that went out there first to ascertain the agent used, the OPCW were not invited to investigate. I would hazard a guess that in that case it was because it was a war zone, and our people were better equipped to operate there.

The OPCW can only certify what they have seen and what has been reported to them, and there are ways for a non-cooperative state to hide key information. OPCW inspections rely very heavily on trust - there is an assumption that states that agree to random inspections can be trusted to reveal everything they hold, on request.

We know beyond doubt that many of the novichok agents were never declared, as Russia developed them, in part, specifically to avoid falling within the classification of being a chemical warfare agent, so in their view the convention did not apply to these compounds. We have no way of knowing whether suitably equipped labs, capable of handling and storing these materials still exist in Russia, or whether covert labs exist elsewhere to which Russia chose to transfer some, or all, of this wide range of agents. I don't believe that any stocks of them have ever been transported here for incineration, but whether that indicates that there were no stocks, that stocks were hidden somewhere, or that stocks simply were never declared, I have no idea.
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 22:26
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Lonewolf: Presumably this refers to me.
Actually, I italicized the UN person I was referring to but given your response, I took a second look and can see how you read that as directed at you. My disrespect for the UN, and its various spokespersons, knows few bounds.

I could be flippant and suggest to you 'if the shoe fits, wear it' but I won't since I think your motives are generally clear.
Well, better to be useful than otherwise
Useful to whom?

My question to you remains unanswered: are you trying to sell the idea that what the UN clown said is what the problem is here?
Really?
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 22:49
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My question to you remains unanswered: are you trying to sell the idea that what the UN clown said is what the problem is here?
Not trying to sell anything. My post was merely a report on what I had seen and heard on RT.
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Old 16th Mar 2018, 02:15
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Most news organizations, being staffed and led by fallable, biased, human beings, have an inbuilt bias one way or another.

On balance, RT is nowhere nearly as biased for or against specific political friends and foe as Fox News, a western network which takes bias, prejuduce, and downright lying to an extreme level.
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Old 16th Mar 2018, 08:27
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BBC journalist Poppy Bullard practised her skills at RT before moving to the BBC as Assistant Producer on Question Time.

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Old 16th Mar 2018, 10:12
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
BBC journalist Poppy Bullard practised her skills at RT before moving to the BBC as Assistant Producer on Question Time.

Maybe it's Poppy Bullard who keeps giving Nigel Farage a Question Time gig.
(On that oh so biased BBC Farage keeps banging on about.)
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Old 16th Mar 2018, 10:30
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I’m sure someone else will provide more detail, but I recall that a British journalist who worked for RT was so appalled by the lies and misinformation spread by her employer after the downing of MH017 that she resigned as a matter of principle.
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Old 16th Mar 2018, 10:39
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Old 16th Mar 2018, 10:56
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Yet another useful idiot

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Old 16th Mar 2018, 11:36
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Originally Posted by Jetex_Jim View Post
You seem to have missed the nuance and context of that statement. It was a jibe at Western politicians, not praise for Putin's policies.

Mr Farage was asked by GQ magazine’s new interviewer Alastair Campbell, Tony Blair’s former spin chief, which world leader he most admired. “As an operator, but not as a human being, I would say Putin,” he replied. “The way he played the whole Syria thing. Brilliant. Not that I approve of him politically. How many journalists in jail now?”
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Old 16th Mar 2018, 11:37
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Farage may indeed be a useful idiot, but it is perfectly true to say that Putin is a better leader of his country than anything we have in the West at the moment.
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Old 16th Mar 2018, 12:18
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
You seem to have missed the nuance and context of that statement. It was a jibe at Western politicians, not praise for Putin's policies.
Farage is one of Putin's more useful idiots.

For Putin what is bad for the EU and USA is good for Putin.

Trump is another of Putin's useful idiots.

Mr Farage last week offered a sympathetic interpretation of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine during his debate with Nick Clegg, saying the European Union had “blood on its hands” for supporting the EuroMaidan protests in Kiev which triggered the downfall of the Moscow-aligned president Viktor Yanukovych.

He added later: “If you poke a Russian bear with a stick he will respond.”

The Liberal Democrats characterised that position as “I agree with Vlad” and accused Mr Farage of “taking his talking points straight from the Kremlin”.

Russia regards the European Union with increasing hostility, and Ukraine was integral to President Putin’s plan to build a rival trade bloc, the Eurasian Union.

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Old 16th Mar 2018, 14:59
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Originally Posted by Jetex_Jim View Post
Perhaps so. But the likes of Trump and Farage are more useful because they can mobilise the votes of those who usually find politics too difficult.
But Farage attacks Putin - why would it be in Putins interest for Farage to mobilise voters against him?

I have a feeling you haven't thought this through..
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Old 16th Mar 2018, 18:23
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-his-own-show/

RT, the Kremlin-backed broadcaster formerly known as Russia Today, has offered Nigel Farage his own television show, as part of a major revamp of the channel's programming.

The former Ukip leader is one of a number of outspoken public figures, including the columnist Katie Hopkins, who is understood to have held talks with the pro-Moscow broadcaster.

RT executives are said to regard the US presidential elections, in November, as an opportunity to beef up its English-language programming, prompting concern in Whitehall over the increased reach of the channel, which is seen to follow a slavishly pro-Kremlin editorial line.
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Old 16th Mar 2018, 18:26
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UK calls death of Russian businessman Glushkov a homicide


So what does RT call it? Homicide or an accident?
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Old 16th Mar 2018, 19:51
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
UK calls death of Russian businessman Glushkov a homicide


So what does RT call it? Homicide or an accident?
Apparently not a poisoning, according to RT, 16 MAR 2018:

'Glushkov death not linked to Skripal poisoning’ – Met Police

"Shortly after the Russian probes were announced, the Met Police said that it launched a murder investigation into the death of Nikolai Glushkov. It pointed out that “at this stage there is nothing to suggest any link to the attempted murders in Salisbury, nor any evidence that [Glushkov] was poisoned.” The pathologist report on Friday “gave the cause of [Glushkov’s] death as compression to the neck,” the Met Police added
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It appears the death has been classified as "unexplained":

"Scotland Yard initially treated the death of the Russian, who was found in his London home earlier this week, as “unexplained.” Glushkov, a former business partner of deceased Russian tycoon Boris Berezovsky, had been living in the British capital since being granted political asylum in 2010. Last year, he was sentenced to eight years in absentia in Russia for major theft from Russian carrier Aeroflot."
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 14:13
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Current lead story in RT is based on Russian MoD report that USA is training Syrians for chemical false flag attacks.

Hey ho. Topical or what!
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