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Old 4th Jul 2018, 12:32
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I don’t think there’s any evidence right at the moment to suggest this is anything other than a coincidence.
LONDON (Reuters) - Two people in a critical condition near the English city of Salisbury were poisoned and samples have been sent to a British military research site Porton Down for testing, the Sun newspaper political editor reported, citing defence sources.

“Sick couple in Salisbury have been poisoned and samples sent to Porton Down for urgent testing - defence sources,” Tom Newton Dunn said on Twitter.

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Old 4th Jul 2018, 12:41
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Should we be surprised that RT are already leading with this item?

https://www.rt.com/uk/431691-police-salisbury-two-ill/
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 13:03
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Should we be surprised that RT are already leading with this item?

https://www.rt.com/uk/431691-police-salisbury-two-ill/
And so are

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-wiltshire-44707052

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/03/u...ntl/index.html

etc.
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 13:25
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A local Boots pharmacy has been closed "as a precaution".

A dodgy prescription? What medicine would both of them be taking at the same time? Methadone?
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 14:03
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A dodgy prescription?
A friend of mine was seriously ill last year because the local pharmacy gave him the wrong tablets, although they labeled them as the ones he should have had. Every time he was rushed to hospital he recovered as they were giving him the correct medication from their stocks, as soon as he returned home and taking his prescribed drugs he was ill again. Took a long time to diagnose the problem as his drugs were incorrectly labelled - only discovered because someone noticed the tablets looked 'different' to his previous ones. Now a broken man he will never properly recover.

So it can easily happen

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Old 4th Jul 2018, 14:10
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According to a relative who lives in the area, this is how it was initially reported. Slight change of stance by the authorities!

Police warn drug users after contamination leaves two in hospital | Salisbury Journal
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 14:11
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FWIW, having been driving around the area earlier, the response doesn't seem to be on anything like the same scale as that for the Skripal incident. I didn't see any evidence of people in protective clothing, no sign of screens or barriers, just a few police guarding areas that are cordoned off.

I reckon it's anyone's guess as to what's happened right now, but my gut feeling is that it's not related to the Skripal attack, both because of the relatively lax barriers that and because this happened on Saturday and it's now Wednesday and no one seems to have announced that a CA was involved. I don't know for sure how long it takes to check for the presence of a CA in low concentrations, but would have thought no more than 48 hours at a guess.

There's is a minor drug problem in the area, more so in Amesbury and places like Durrington than Salisbury, but if this had been just a drug OD, then I can't see that there would be this amount of fuss being created. I can't see why a duff batch of drugs would cause areas to be cordoned off, especially areas in Salisbury, miles away from the address in Amesbury.

Certainly an unusual incident, though, and a bit mysterious, what with the high level anti-terrorism people being brought in and a meeting of COBRA being called.
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 15:22
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Police News Conference scheduled for 4.30pm in Amesbury.
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 16:04
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The only additional details in the Police News Conference were that a number of additional areas have been cordoned off. No details on the "unknown substance".

Sky News are reporting that friends of the couple claimed that the critically ill pair found something in the Queen Elizabeth Gardens in Salisbury.

Map link to Queen Elizabeth Gardens

https://goo.gl/maps/tvDN4iGfVuM2
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 16:22
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Of course, Amesbury is now over-run by the 'media'

so many reporters from national media have descended on their doorsteps
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 17:57
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Of course, Amesbury is now over-run by the 'media'
Didn't look it earlier, according to my wife. She popped in there to use the Library and said the only activity seemed to be on the way in, around the housing estate alongside BDN where the incident took place, just a police cordon and a couple of parked police vans.
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 18:40
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I suspect the Best Kept Village Committee has been dealing with lowlife junkie scum for the greater good..... "The Greater Good!"

Definitely sounds like a case for Hot Fuzz.
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 20:51
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Confirmed as Novichok - Breaking press conference from Metropolitan Police.
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 21:02
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Not only Novichok - but the same variant as used against the Skripals.

There will now be intense interest in their movements over the last 48 hours - especially where they were in Salisbury.
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 21:02
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Confirmed as Novichok - Breaking press conference from Metropolitan Police.
WTF? They couldn't just have stumbled across some of the stuff used to poison the Skripal's could they? That would have decayed by now - right?
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 21:04
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Originally Posted by TEEEJ View Post
Confirmed as Novichok - Breaking press conference from Metropolitan Police.
But was it left over from the earlier incident?
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 21:07
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Christ on a bike, this is going to cause a heck of a row, wherever the source turns out to have come from. Perhaps the clean up didn't catch all the areas where the agent had been spread, seems the most likely possibility. If it was a separate attack, intended to throw the scent away from Russia, then I hate to think what the international consequences may be.
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 21:09
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WTF? They couldn't just have stumbled across some of the stuff used to poison the Skripal's could they? That would have decayed by now - right?
No, it's highly persistent, lasts decades and does not wash away with water, so it can hang around in the environment for a very long time - no one knows how long, but we know that similar agents, like VX, are still just as toxic as the day they were prepped 50 years later.
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 21:16
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Christ on a bike, this is going to cause a heck of a row, wherever the source turns out to have come from. Perhaps the clean up didn't catch all the areas where the agent had been spread, seems the most likely possibility. If it was a separate attack, intended to throw the scent away from Russia, then I hate to think what the international consequences may be.
Sky News were reporting that friends of the couple claimed that the critically ill pair found something in the Queen Elizabeth Gardens in Salisbury. Apparently they were having a picnic down by the river. Could they have stumbled upon the dispenser/canister either used in the Skripal attack or another one dumped by those involved?
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 21:20
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I muss say I did not think this whole story could get wierder. I stand corrected.
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