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Old 4th Mar 2018, 12:46
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I was in that too racedo, probably a bit behind you. Turned across to the Hitchin bound carriageway and routed to A1M, M25, M1 arriving at Airport some six and a quarter hours after leaving Biggleswade. Fortunately not flying but delivering a part to engineers.
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Old 4th Mar 2018, 23:06
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Originally Posted by WilliumMate View Post
I was in that too racedo, probably a bit behind you. Turned across to the Hitchin bound carriageway and routed to A1M, M25, M1 arriving at Airport some six and a quarter hours after leaving Biggleswade. Fortunately not flying but delivering a part to engineers.
I was close to bottom of hill, had stayed in outside lane and it moved faster before everything came to a halt.

Dumped car at Luton Parkway as just easiest and got bus to airport.

I can confirm that no roads were gritted or being swept in Luton and zero council workers to be seen.

Credit where its due to the cops as they really got stuck in, some well past "going home time".

If missed flight I missed flight but as turned out prob in better situation and less stressful than sitting in airport for hours.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 14:47
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There are 'all weather' tires now (e.g. Nokian make some), but I gather their performance tends to be merely adequate in all conditions, rather than good in the summer and lousy in the winter (or vice-versa).
Speaking from experience of six years driving in Germany I can express with some authority the opinion that the best option is to have two sets of wheels - one with Winter tyres, one with Summer.

All-weather tyres may save the inconvenience of the bi-annual switch over, but are a) more expensive to buy, and b) wear too quickly in Summer.

I've tried it both ways.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 00:20
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And here comes the next batch of proof that two brain cells aren't required to gain a driving licence in the UK.....

BBC has just done a bit on the "Mini Beast from the East" dumping what looks suspiciously like an arctic whiteout of 3 - 4mm of snow on flat surfaces. Then followed it up with reports and interviews of folks becoming trapped on high routes with no food, water, phone or alternative ways of keeping warm in their vehicle because "it was bright and sunny when we left home..."
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 00:28
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Misread a title again.
Thought signals intelligence had closed a road for weather.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 00:40
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Where the hell is the M18? Didn't know we had one.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 01:01
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic View Post
Where the hell is the M18? Didn't know we had one.
It runs from the east of Rotherham to Goole and is approximately 26 miles (42 km) long.

M18 motorway (Great Britain).

Just to point out that the original event involved the M80 - not the M18 . . .

The M80 is a motorway in Scotland's central belt, running between Glasgow and Stirling via Cumbernauld and Denny and linking the M8, M73 and M9 motorways.

M80 motorway.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 08:45
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic View Post
Where the hell is the M18? Didn't know we had one.
"Bedford" -- Says it all. Needs to get out a bit more.

The M18 is a very effective link between the A1 and M1 (avoiding Sheffield!). It has snow at the moment but is running OK.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 10:17
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Come on guys: I admit it was typo error on the original posting, and unlike the individual posts it is impossible to edit the thread title. Some leniency please. The crux of the issue is that once again the dumbness of some UK drivers repeats itself.

What is it they say,

Once is an accident.
Twice is careless,
Thrice is just plain stupidity.

Watch this weekend and wonder.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 11:21
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If the road was jammed up by cars or an accident were they still on summer tyres.? If they were, and had ignored warnings not to drive, they the drivers could be liable for some serious accusations.
I have long felt that whenever there are hold-ups caused by something like an "accident" it should be routine for the identity of the perp to be published so that we can all put in our invoices for our time spent in the queue.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 11:36
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GTW, good thinking. The car that stopped for an legitimate reason can get recomoy from the next vehicle that hit him, but for you in the third or successive vehicles have no recourse to claim for consequential loss.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 11:48
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hold-ups caused by something like an "accident"

Hm? There are genuine accidents, bad luck or lots of swiss cheese to catch the inexperienced & untrained, but when the crash is caused by shear dumb 'I know better' negligence then there is such an argument.
It is similar to those who trot off into the mountains wearing completely the wrong clothing and shoes, not having checked the forecast, and then call upon others to rescue them at great risk & cost. If it is shown that it was their own damn fault then why not get a bill? Either they should take out a liability insurance, and then in the event the claim would be assessed, or the risk of having to pay up would sharpen the mind before leaping into the dark hoping it'll be alright.

It needs a change of cultural thinking. People have a social responsibility to act sensibly and when they don't, due to blatant disregard, and screw it up for 00's, why should there not be some recompense?
There are numerous occasions where e.g. buildings have collapsed or caught fire due to incompetent or fraudulent construction or lack of maintenance. No-one died, but there would be an intensive enquiry, fault would be found and penalties and compensation sought. It was a premeditated act. We think that is quite correct.
Mr/Mrs Numpty sets off on a hilly main route with warnings and forecast of snow, on summer tyres with low tread, and blocks the main arterial road, even worse causes a multi-car pile up that blocks it for hours, and causes physical and mental injury to many others: and gets off scot free except for the immediate car insurance accident claim; because it was an accident????
Just a question. Is that correct? A company would not be allowed to 'get away with it', should an individual? Or would it be 'blood from a stone argument'?
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 12:03
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RAT, the NHS can claim costs back from RTAs.

On causative claims, I wonder if that is due to the difficulty?

If you know who caused the problem then I suppose you might try through your insurance company if you have legal cover.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 12:09
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I have 5 sets of chains in my garage - none of them fit my current cars as standard wheel and tyre sizes have changed over the years. Have all-weather tyres on both. Before I retired I had winter and summer tyres for the car I used to then and rarely had any problems in snow except for the time I had stopped at a junction only to see in my rear view mirror a truck sliding and pirouetting down the hill behind me. Fortunately, there was sufficient space in the traffic - and traction from my tyres to drive forward and out of the way of the collision. Also fortunately, the cars that had braked when seeing me coming out of the junction had stopped by the time the truck slid across the road and into the opposite hedge. No-one was hurt.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 12:13
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There would probably be too many factors to consider to make it viable or worthwhile claiming for indirect effects of someone else's accident. Realistically, the chances of claiming back costs for people's time stuck in a queue would be miniscule - how do you calculate it? How do you prove it? The effort required would be immense for serious incidents where motorways are closed, for example.
And of course most ordinary people could never pay that level of compensation themselves- insurance companies would just rack up everyone's premiums to cover it.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 12:38
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how do you calculate it?
My normal hourly rate for freelance work.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 15:01
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Here's a simple comparison. You knowingly go driving with a brake problem. You can't be bothered, have the time. money etc. to fix it, but you take the risk knowing you will have stopping problems. Murphy is sitting on your shoulder and you have an accident that is deemed your fault because you did not stop. Your car is inspected and it is deemed it was dangerous to be on the road. You would have a great number of books thrown at you.

You go out in snowy conditions with summer only tyres (not all-weather) knowing you will have stopping problems. Same result. Crunch; multi-car pile up. Big tail backs, huge cost & disruption to many parties. What's the difference?

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Old 18th Mar 2018, 15:26
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I guess the main difference is the law. It's not the law that you must have winter tyres on in England in snow (M18). Having faulty brakes on the other hand .....
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 16:01
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I think you'll find the law says you have to be in control of the vehicle at all times, and that it has to be in road worthy condition. One could argue that having unsuitable tyres for the conditions violates both of those. I suspect the real issue is that it has never been tested.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 16:09
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In the UK I've not knowingly come across "all weather tyres" or "summer tyres" or "winter tyres", I've only ever bought "tyres". My mitigation measures for the very occasional snow we get basically consist of (a) not buying rear wheel drive cars and (b) to the best of my ability, not driving too fast for the conditions.

Which has worked so far. I haven't had an accident, or got stuck, whilst driving a car on snow (getting up a hill in Sheffield in a Renault 5 one day was "interesting", but I made it). (I did come off my bicycle on ice in January, which I reckon was grossly unfair because that particular tiny isolated patch of ice was in a place where there's never a puddle or standing water, so I don't know how it got there.)
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