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Old 26th Feb 2018, 12:46
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Question Why do people live near airports & then complain?

Afternoon All

Something which I have never been able to work out, is why do some people choose to live next to a airport and then start quibbing about the noise. The airport itself as been there for probably 50 or 60 years longer than them, with the aircraft been a lot quieter, noise levels reduced and less pollution. You should move away if not happy with your surroundings!!
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 14:11
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Excuse my language, but it is because some people are

The same thing happens near Churches. Some ******** moves in near the Church and within weeks starts complaining about the bells ringing, or the clock chiming. “So tell me, when you were looking at the house you were interested in, did you not notice the very large stone building that has been there for 500-700 years? It has a tower at one end, so is visible above the buildings and trees, but you still did not see it? Did you look at an Ordnance Survey map and note what there was around the house?”.

People move into London under the approach flightpath of Heathrow and then complain about the airplane noise. LOOK AT A BLOODY MAP BEFORE YOU BUY A HOUSE !

Sorry, this is one of my bugbears - Do people move within earshot of a motorway or railway and then demand the traffic be stopped ? They probably do actually.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 14:20
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Well said!

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Old 26th Feb 2018, 16:36
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While I share the general sentiment there are some exceptions...

1) Flightpath changes
2) Numbers of flights
3) Aircraft types (and, to an extent, altitudes flown)

...if, for instance, a “nearby” airport produced an ACP which included a PRNAV flightpath directly over my house, then airlines used that route for numerous long-haul, heavy, slow-climbing aircraft, then I wouldn’t be best pleased. Especially if those flights were early morning or late at night.

My house is “near” a major airport, overflown by arrivals to/departures from a more distant major airport. I don’t consider it an issue as things are. I factored it in when I bought the house. But if that changed and affected me and my family I’d feel justified to grumble about it.

There are social benefits, of course, but dismissing environmental concerns (in this case noise) is a little foolhardy IMHO.

There’s a balance to be struck, or a settlement to be made.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 16:50
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Probably 15 or so years ago a City chap bought a nice house somewhere further south which had a branch line running close to the bottom of the garden. What he didn't realise was that there was a 'whistle board' there as well to tell drivers to whistle up to warn users of a foot crossing a bit further up the line. City chap was not happy and complained to the local council. The local council then slapped a noise abatement order on Railtrack, as it was then called. Railtrack took council to the High Court, council told not to be so stupid. City chap had to lump it.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 17:53
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I have the same thing with Dogs. They knew we had dogs, they hate dogs but still bought and moved in. By way of complaining they walked up the track, wound the dogs up, filmed them and went to the police with their film. I have been told by a reliable source that they were laughed out of the station.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 17:54
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It's the same with those pompous idiots who buy themselves a cottage in the countryside then complain about being woken at dawn by cocks crowing.
IT'S THE COUNTRYSIDE; people keep chickens there!
Siiliest I heard (and I admit I've posted it before) was the lady who went knocking on doors in Fulham with a petition to get the football club closed down.
Didn't she notice the football stadium (established in 1879) with it's 100 odd ft tall floodlight towers nearby when she paid one and a quarter million quid for her house? Did she not realise the signs on lamp posts and telephone poles pointing out that parking restrictions would apply on matchdays applied to residents as well as football supporters?
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 18:04
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Hello Good Egg

In reply to your comments I understand what you are saying, but to be fair with living near to a major airport those are the risks you take when buying a property especially a major airport. With regards to dismissing the environmental concerns which I would never do, I did say in my thread with quieter aircraft where noise levels are reduced with less pollution. I have lived in Lincolnshire all my life and lived 3 miles from RAF Scampton & RAF Waddington which were home to the Vulcan Bombers as you can imagine made a lot of noise when taking off all times of the day & night. Far noisier than of the aircraft now but no one made a fuss.

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Old 26th Feb 2018, 18:15
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Reminds me of the Singing Postman.

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Old 26th Feb 2018, 18:25
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But Glider, people did complain. But they were told to “P!ss off!” by a nice chap who job it was to tell people to p!ss off. Some forces chappies even responded with a “Madam, that is the sound of freedom”. But I’ll have to say things this is have been a problem for years. The problem is the law. And after you have met a few lawyers, you’ll see what the problem is with law. And who makes the law? A far worse form of scum called a politician.

We used to have complaints about our towing operation at our gliding club. On some days we’ve even had complaints about the noise of airbrakes and winch wires. I’m sure there are people who complain about the sounds coming from conversations in monestaries housing silent orders. Not until common sense prevails will things change. (So nothing is going to happen any time soon). There is nothing so stupid as members of the public which is why voting involves nothing too taxing for their brain, just their normal signature.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 19:07
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Hello Piltdown Man

Not where we lived!
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 19:43
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Hey glider

No worries. I’m merely saying it’s not as simple as saying “choose to live near an airport and expect to put up with the noise”.
Times change, routes change, aircraft profiles change.
I live in a relatively rural idyll. Still close to airport(s) but far enough from current flightpaths that it’s not an issue.
I don’t really mind a bit of distant roar.
But I do understand people who have bought a house in a similar situation who have then had changes imposed on them to their detriment (environmentally, through noise/pollution...and even financially, in terms of house price) due to re-alignment of flightpaths.

I’m easy-come-easy-go. Some people are more affected by noise than me (as with any aspect in life).

I don’t think that current policy on airspace change is particularly transparent (despite consultations) or entirely fair. But then what is?

With Brexit looming there is added importance to “connectability” for UK plc. Whether that can be achieved fairly/equitably is questionable, on many fronts.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 20:14
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Luton Airport flight path changes unfair to Hertfordshire residents.

Luton Airport expansion unsuitable.

The proposed expansion to more than double Luton's passenger numbers is both unsuitable to the local area and unsustainable in the context of the constraints that exist in rural Hertfordshire.
Campaign group LADACAN claims aircraft noise has increased tenfold since 2013.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 20:22
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I have resided around LHR since 1973. I miss the tridents,707, VC10 etc. �� I only complain about the out of hours aircraft if noisy. R3 will be a disaster and a rude awakening.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 20:28
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Is that lady in the big place in Windsor complaining .................... AGAIN.

Surely she could have built that castle somewhere else...
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 20:30
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In the very early 1970s, I lived within sight of Luton Airport and was woken in the very early hours every morning by the departure of a Court Line BAC 1/11 ripping open the sky as it departed directly away from my house.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 20:35
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Is that lady in the big place in Windsor complaining .................... AGAIN.

Surely she could have built that castle somewhere else...
One has one staff to complain. One has returned from the Norfolk retreat to easterly ops.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 20:49
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I know this is a repeat, but .... I like the story of the UK Council ( forget where ) who were asked to close down what had origionally been a USAF WWII airstrip somewhere in the green fields of that Green and Pleasant Land. The Council, in favour of the retention of a now busy, revenue producing, airport attended a protest meeting, and projected a photo of the original airstrip on to the stage, literally just an airstrip with a couple of attendant buildings surrounded by green fields. The presenter then pointed to one of the protesters in the audience and said .. "Now Sir, please come up and show us YOUR house"

Collapse of Stout Party.

Our local aero club were recently asked, as were all neighbours, to comment on the proposed development of an adjoining section of land, as required by local government rules. We responded that we had no objection, but suggested that a clause be inserted in the Consent Approval, that no one would ever be allowed to object to living in the vicinity of the existing airport. Unfortunately our suggestion was ignored.

In my experience aeroplanes get up and go, whereas lawnmowers, strimmers, chain saws, outboard motors being cleaned out before being taken home, kindergartens ..... ?
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 20:56
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Didn't Madogga do that- bought a country pile near a long established airfield dahn sarf and immediately whining about it?

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Old 26th Feb 2018, 21:22
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LOOK AT A BLOODY MAP BEFORE YOU BUY A HOUSE !
Thanks to modern schooling, most do not appear able to read maps.
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