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Old 26th Feb 2018, 14:08
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The numbers of women murdered in domestic violence incidents by men worldwide is shocking and shameful.

A lot of the incidents are extremely violent, such as pouring fuel on them and setting them on fire
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 14:22
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Originally Posted by arketip View Post
Sounds like the British are still killing half of what their American counterpart do
Correct, but annual medical assessment, besides being completely impractical, is not going to change either the US or UK figures by any noticeable value.

That's why I have asked, twice now, what outcome is anticipated following implementation of annual medical assessment.

It seems that the UK solution is to initiate schemes that are such a pain in the butt that prospective, legitimate firearms users will simply give up trying.
And the justification for that approach is "it's what we did".

There are numerous, practical steps that could be taken to improve the situation in the US but the totalitarian solutions put forth by the UK contributors are never going to float in the US.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 14:34
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Originally Posted by TWT View Post
The numbers of women murdered in domestic violence incidents by men worldwide is shocking and shameful.

A lot of the incidents are extremely violent, such as pouring fuel on them and setting them on fire
The majority of victims murdered in domestic violence incidents in Australia are male.
The most common methods of committing the murder is by stabbing (34%) with a further 30% beaten to death.

Citing : Australian Institute of Criminology Cussen T & Bryant W. 2015. Domestic/family homicide in Australia. Research in practice No. 38. Canberra: Australian Institute of Criminology. https://aic.gov.au/publications/rip/rip38
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 15:56
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The consititution may guarantee the righ to bare arms, but is there any part of it that guarantees the right to buy/get ammunition?

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Old 26th Feb 2018, 16:49
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The majority of UK murder victims are male, by two to one. Not that I can see that bringing in gender politics links to the thread, though
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 17:37
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Originally Posted by D SQDRN 97th IOTC View Post
You are ex Navy. Welll done. I am ex UK military.
Fine. Howdy. Now, tell me, why did you think that dragging the military into this conversation was relevant?
The USA military serve around the world to protect its citizens from terrorists.
And for what? So your children can be shot up in schools?
I found that insulting.
What problems does the UK have with guns?
I guess Dunblane never happened.
you don’t need semi auto assault rifles.
You don't get to tell a free citizen what they need. That's not your place. Please tell me what an assault rifle is, while you are at it. I've had a Ruger Mini-14 (single shot) since about 1980. Last thing I shot with it was a deer.
You don’t need bump stocks.
Did you bother to read my posts? Apparently not. I not only don't have one, I am against them and I believe that they are a loophole that needs closing.
You do need a licensing system.
No, you all need one, so you have one.
You do need a vetting system.
You appear to be ignorant of the fact that all fifty states and the federal government have volumes of gun laws. Loads of them. The last rifle I purchased was about 8 years ago. Before I could pick it up and take it home, the guy who has the federal firearms license who sold it to me, from this gun store, had me fill out the usual forms/background check and check my ID to make sure it was me.
In other words, you once again really don't know how this works over here.
Beyond that, when I lived in California, I could not buy a pistol I had ordered until a "cooling off period." Not sure if that law is still on the books, as I have not lived in CA for over 20 years. I thought that law made sense, given the context of where I lived, but I was not a fan of it.
Your appeal to emotion will remain lying where it lies: in the gutter. I'm not the one who shot anyone in Parkdale. I don't have to answer for that crime.

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Old 26th Feb 2018, 18:18
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
I guess Dunblane never happened.
The thing is that when we had the Hungerford mass shooting we decided to treat it as an anomaly - a one-ff event. But when we had Dunblane nearly a decade later we recognised it wasn't, so we did something about it.

You have these shootings every other day - in fact you seem to consider them as little more than population control. So either you (American society) have completely lost touch with your sense of proportion or you actually do regard dozens of dead kids as an enjoyable hobby for dull week day afternoon. I used to think it was the former, but frankly I'm, no longer sure.

I accept the "guns don't kill people" thing, and if I saw my son beating another boy with a stick I wouldn't blame the stick. But I would still take it away from him.

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Old 26th Feb 2018, 18:27
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Question

Interesting thread.

As far I know Swiss men have military machine guns at home and I wonder why I don't hear a thing about mass shootings in this country.

What is the difference?
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 18:32
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
You have these shootings every other day -
That is a lie. School Shootings are an anomaly. They are an outlier that get a lot of attention because, quite frankly, they defy rational behavior.


The garden variety homicide stats, as has been explained over and over again, have according to the FBI been dropping a bit over the last decade.


We still live in a place where there are a lot of criminals. Within 400 yards of my front door in a fairly decent neighborhood, there have been in the past few years
(1) one gang hit (apparently, one of my neighbors was trying to slide into the drug trade and the local crooks visited his house one night. Three bullets in him ... and oddly, he did not die. That sure helped the local LE figure out what was behind all of that. Note: His wife and kids, hiding in the bedroom closet, were unharmed). Originally reported in the news as a "home invasion" I found out more details from a few law enforcement sorts with whom I do various hobbies.
(2) A man killing himself and his ex wife. (That one was less than a seven iron shot from my front door).
(3) A fire chief's wife killing him, and then herself. Their oldest son went to junior high school with my daughter. The two kids were taken in by their grandparents, so they changed school districts, and she never saw them again.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 19:00
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A lot of stats flying around here. Don’t know about Brits homicide rates but agree they’re volatile.
Especially with a few drinks inside them. One stat that is hard to believe. Are there on average
20,000 gun related suicides each year across the US? That’s an extraordinary figure.

Coming back to NRA & Profiling. Their narrative is always the same. Home invasion. Home defence.
Fair enough. Keep pushing for a gun in the house to protect your family. How come we never hear
the NRA pushing for smart technology in guns to prevent children getting killed by negligent discharge.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 19:04
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Originally Posted by Pali View Post
Interesting thread.

As far I know Swiss men have military machine guns at home and I wonder why I don't hear a thing about mass shootings in this country.

What is the difference?
Easy, as the old saying goes:

"Guns don't kill people, Americans do"

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Old 26th Feb 2018, 19:13
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Originally Posted by sfm818 View Post
How come we never hear the NRA pushing for smart technology in guns to prevent children getting killed by negligent discharge.
Are you aware that the NRA runs firearms safety classes? All you had to do was go to their web site. No paywall.
(Full disclosure: I attended a hunter safety course in 1986. Good stuff).

This isn't a hardware issue, it's a wetware issue. The best way to keep kids from getting to a loaded gun and having an accident (and for that matter, any adult) doesn't need any fancy tools: it takes a bit of education, and the right attitude.

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Old 26th Feb 2018, 19:42
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What is the lower age limit for these safety classes. Your assurance that a bit of education and the
right attitude will be no consolation for parents who lose a five year old.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 19:49
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
That is a lie. School Shootings are an anomaly. They are an outlier that get a lot of attention because, quite frankly, they defy rational behavior.
An outlier? Who are you trying to kid!

How many mass-shooting incidents do you have per year in the USA? How many does any other country that has a nominally functional society have? The anomaly isn't the shootings - the anomaly is a country that regards it as a price worth paying. Is it that the sight of all those dead kids saves you spending money on viagra, or what?

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Old 26th Feb 2018, 20:31
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What's with all the hunting, anyway?
You get pleasure out of killing wild animals with a high powered rifle and telescopic sights.
Not exactly a fair fight is it.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 21:47
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Long bows, compounds and crossbows seem fairer? Not to me.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 22:39
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Lonewolf,
Are you aware that the NRA runs firearms safety classes? All you had to do was go to their web site. No paywall.
(Full disclosure: I attended a hunter safety course in 1986. Good stuff).
I agree, in 1986, 32 years ago, that was the main focus of the NRA, safety. But, now we are in 2018. Today, the main focus of the NRA under Wayne LaPierre has changed. It is now to sell more guns to whomever will buy them, the NRA is the "Front Organization" for the gun manufacturers. Even Bill Ruger, when he was alive, saw the transition happening and disagreed with the direction the NRA was going. Gun safety is no longer in the forefront as you suggest....
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 22:45
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Maybe restrict the purchase & ownership of weapons to those available at the time that the 2nd Amendment became law?
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 23:22
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You get pleasure out of killing wild animals with a high powered rifle and telescopic sights.
Less suffering by the animal as opposed to other less accurate means. Next.

Btw, are you a vegetarian?
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 23:24
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Today, the main focus of the NRA under Wayne LaPierre has changed.
Can you provide evidence of that beyond simply your opinion?
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