So I suppose....the Florida 'Thing'
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Originally Posted by Fliegenmong
Is not being talked about because it always ends up the same? ....... Ho hum...just another slaughter of innocent people then...
Look, this is a pointless discussion. We already know all the answers. From last time. And the time before that. And the time before that. The answers are:
(1) Americans think that if he's white he's not a terrorist.
(2) Americans think that a few dozen children killed every now and then is a price worth paying for the god-given constitutional right to wave willy extensions.
(3) Americans like it like this, otherwise, as they claim to be a democracy, they'd fix it.
(4) It's none of the rest of our business, and if we don't like it we don't have to visit America.
End of. There's nothing further to say.
(1) Americans think that if he's white he's not a terrorist.
(2) Americans think that a few dozen children killed every now and then is a price worth paying for the god-given constitutional right to wave willy extensions.
(3) Americans like it like this, otherwise, as they claim to be a democracy, they'd fix it.
(4) It's none of the rest of our business, and if we don't like it we don't have to visit America.
End of. There's nothing further to say.
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The American democracy is damaged. Special interests and the recent US Supreme Court's flawed (5/4) decision to allow unlimited, untraceable dark money into electioneering have led us to this place where being a political moderate is no longer viable.
Responsible governing requires moderates in power, instead, we lurch from crisis to crisis with shrieking extremists on both sides, and no solutions in sight. Logical, fact based debate has left the building.
Responsible governing requires moderates in power, instead, we lurch from crisis to crisis with shrieking extremists on both sides, and no solutions in sight. Logical, fact based debate has left the building.
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Not only in the US. It is happening in the UK right now, with right wing Brexiteers and left wing fascists.
Luckily for us the judiciary is currently independent. Corbyn won't let that stay for long.
Trump seems to think it is easier, quicker and better to solve all the mental illness issues facing the youth of the US than simply making it harder for those with murdurous intentions to get hold of lethal weapons. Deluded and in the pocket of the NRA.
If you go around Israel for instance you will see young people with M-16 rifles, both in and out of military uniform, although all will be in the military at the time. They will be on buses, at the beach or even the nightclub. The rules for carrying these weapons and their ammunition in public are strict, and clearly they work, as there have never been any Columbine type attacks. You simply cannot buy guns in Israel unless you have a very good reason to own one, and the vast majority of people do not have a good reason, despite the situation vis-a-vis the Palestinians. The result is, like in the UK with no visible guns in public ever, no massacres. Simples.
However, people say don't go to the US. Why? I am unlikely to visit a public school in the US so the risk is very much reduced.
Luckily for us the judiciary is currently independent. Corbyn won't let that stay for long.
Trump seems to think it is easier, quicker and better to solve all the mental illness issues facing the youth of the US than simply making it harder for those with murdurous intentions to get hold of lethal weapons. Deluded and in the pocket of the NRA.
If you go around Israel for instance you will see young people with M-16 rifles, both in and out of military uniform, although all will be in the military at the time. They will be on buses, at the beach or even the nightclub. The rules for carrying these weapons and their ammunition in public are strict, and clearly they work, as there have never been any Columbine type attacks. You simply cannot buy guns in Israel unless you have a very good reason to own one, and the vast majority of people do not have a good reason, despite the situation vis-a-vis the Palestinians. The result is, like in the UK with no visible guns in public ever, no massacres. Simples.
However, people say don't go to the US. Why? I am unlikely to visit a public school in the US so the risk is very much reduced.
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A Miami Herald reporter interviewed here last night on the ABC made the same point as Gertrude.
Many Americans regard mass shootings as an acceptable price to pay for preserving their second amendment rights.
Will American schools be forced to become like the Masada Jewish College here in Sydney?
A fortress, with anti-climb fences, metal detectors and armed guards at a gatehouse?
And I suspect even that would not stop a kid with a grudge and an AR-15.
Many Americans regard mass shootings as an acceptable price to pay for preserving their second amendment rights.
Will American schools be forced to become like the Masada Jewish College here in Sydney?
A fortress, with anti-climb fences, metal detectors and armed guards at a gatehouse?
And I suspect even that would not stop a kid with a grudge and an AR-15.
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Originally Posted by Espada III
If you go around Israel for instance you will see young people with M-16 rifles, both in and out of military uniform, although all will be in the military at the time. They will be on buses, at the beach or even the nightclub.
On the one hand, if anything happened he'd have been on my side, but on the other hand he was pissed out of his brain so I'm not entirely convinced he could have been relied on to aim straight.
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It's a typical American sickness, If they insist on the right to bear arms I for one can not see how and why they do not remove military grade assault rifles and larger style weapons, you can maintain the right to carry arms with a .22 pistol, it won't get rid of the problem but it sure as heck will reduce the amount of damage an individual can do. To arm teachers is barking.
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Special interests and the recent US Supreme Court's flawed (5/4) decisio
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https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-c...ing-in-florida
And Victim Blaming from the Donald, who said this
What a prospect for American schoolchildren.
And Victim Blaming from the Donald, who said this
"So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!”
One result is that American children drill—again and again—for mass shootings. Anyone with a child might be in the position of hearing awful, alarming reports on the news, and then rushing to text sons or daughters, wondering if even that is safe, or if the sound of the alert might reveal their child’s hiding place to a shooter. As my colleague John Cassidy notes, students around the country have been trained to turn their phones to silent at the start of a drill. They have been told what to imagine. Do they also have to take on the role of policing teen-agers who may live in houses with multiple, legal weapons? How can they tell the difference between the pathology of their parents, who have done nothing to make the gun laws in this country more sensible, and that of their peers?
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This illustrates the crass misdirection which the sentient world simply doesn't understand:
This is a response to the 2nd amendmenter's usual rationalisation:
This is not an attempt at humour - that would be completely inappropriate. This is just a "a picture tells a thousand words" thing.
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This is a response to the 2nd amendmenter's usual rationalisation:
This is not an attempt at humour - that would be completely inappropriate. This is just a "a picture tells a thousand words" thing.
PDR
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
In vapilot’s world a majority opinion is flawed, if it doesn’t favor his political temperament. It’s fine, if it does. Just clearing that up.
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Totally agree with her comments
Student calls Trump a 'piece of s**t' after Florida school shooting | Metro News
Student calls Trump a 'piece of s**t' after Florida school shooting | Metro News
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Its getting tiresome that the first reaction of some in these situations is to blame Trump - they cant stop playing politics even for a day.
FWIW Obama introduced 2 Gun Control Laws in his 8 years in charge and both of those loosened regulations on gun ownership - but lets all blame Trump..
FWIW Obama introduced 2 Gun Control Laws in his 8 years in charge and both of those loosened regulations on gun ownership - but lets all blame Trump..
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Originally Posted by Highway1
Its getting tiresome that the first reaction of some in these situations is to blame Trump - they cant stop playing politics even for a day.
FWIW Obama introduced 2 Gun Control Laws in his 8 years in charge and both of those loosened regulations on gun ownership - but lets all blame Trump..
FWIW Obama introduced 2 Gun Control Laws in his 8 years in charge and both of those loosened regulations on gun ownership - but lets all blame Trump..
