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Old 11th Feb 2018, 19:04   #1 (permalink)
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Oxfam “outrage”

Todays news featured politicians and journalists struggling to out-outrage each other over the reports that some Oxfam staff used prostitutes in Haiti in 2011. Apparently Oxfam have demonstrated a disgraceful lack of moral leadership. Perhaps so But I can’t help contrasting the total lack of outrage at millions starving and dying of preventable diseases with today’s puffed-up moral high-horsemanship
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It is the oldest profession and will be with us always. Get over it.
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From elsewhere, paraphrased (because I CBA to look up the exact wording):


"I wonder why the right-wing media have suddenly dredged up and jumped on this eight year old story? What real, today's, news are they trying to distract attention from?"
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 19:37   #4 (permalink)
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GTW, not even 8 years now new, I am sure I heard about this earlier, can't remember if it was days or weeks.
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When your only access to food and medicine is to sell something and the only thing you have to sell is yourself then someone is going to see a bargain.

Oxfam staff (if they were indeed involved) would have been only one group of many from the multiple aid organisations which flock to every disaster and inevitably end up engaged in these activities.

Devoid of morality? Absolutely.
Rare? Absolutely not.

Haiti? I do hope that they had prophylactics in their medicine chest.
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GTW, not even 8 years now new, I am sure I heard about this earlier, can't remember if it was days or weeks.
I certainly heard about it several years ago (but can't say whether it was eight or fewer).
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 20:03   #7 (permalink)
 
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I read a book a few years ago by a journalist who spent a few months travelling through Africa from north to south. He said the local prostitutes all celebrated when the 'aid agencies' turned up in town, because they knew they'd be making a ton of money in the next few weeks.

Just another reason I refuse to give money to big charities these days.

Edit: I've seen others complain that, because of all the aid workers in Africa on expense accounts, many people believe any white person they see is just as rich, and will charge them several times the local rate for whatever they're buying.

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After a discussion with an ex-employee of a major charity (and my ex-boss) I vowed never to give any of them another cent, and I didn't. Trotters in the trough at the highest level.

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After a discussion with an ex-employee of a major charity (and my ex-boss) I vowed never to give any of them another cent, and I didn't. Trotters in the trough at the highest level.

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Indeed and good company for the politicians and most of the journalists too.
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It is the oldest profession and will be with us always. Get over it.
Sorry, incorrect. It's the second.

As explained to me by a female sales trainer .. first she had to sell herself, then they could do the deed.

But I concur, provided it was legal and there was no coercion or whatever, and it wasn't billed to their expenses, then those taking the moral high ground should just get over themselves and accept that people have needs and will take steps to satisfy those. Especially when they're posted to the arse end of nowhere for years and 'confined to barracks' every night because it's not safe to go out on the town.

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Old 11th Feb 2018, 21:08   #11 (permalink)
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"I vowed never to give any of them another cent". Really.? Care to expand on that; so it's ok for hundreds of thousands to starve to death just as long as no westerners have sex with them? Does the same go for every agency; do we strip the police or army of funding if it turns out any of their personnel have used prostitutes at some point?
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I think the issue is bigger than some individual Oxfam employees dipping their wick in the local populace.

It's also about Oxfam's integrity. How honest and transparent they were about what was going on. And about how they allowed some of the perpetrators to resign (ad walk straight into other jobs).

So yes, accusations of a lack of moral leadership are quite valid.
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HRC Pay to play was a requirement for aid agencies in Haiti.
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Similar thing with the UN a few years back as well in the Congo as well as Haiti. Man who is away from home, horny and fantastically wealthy by local standards meets girl who is very poor by his standards and who sees nothing wrong with using her body to improve her life.

As long as it is consensual and involves adults who cares ? Some of the girls end up converting the arrangement into long term or even marriage.

Where there is coercion or children are involved action needs to be taken however these agencies and government bodies make the Catholic church look like amateurs when it comes to covering up and protecting their own.
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The only outrage I felt was when the BBC1 news bulletin this evening had as its lead story more on this matter, most of which had already been covered in the previous 24 hours. The Moscow air crash which killed 71 people was relegated to second slot. Still, as I suppose as few of the dead spoke English that made it all right!
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Care to expand on that; so it's ok for hundreds of thousands to starve to death just as long as no westerners have sex with them?
Many of these charities only seem to exist to take money from well-meaning poor people in the West to fund the middle class to have nice jollies to the Third World. The classic example is the 'well building' trip, where rich white kids go to Africa to build wells, because they apparently believe black people are unable to build wells themselves.

Just this afternoon, I was reading a bunch of posts from someone who drove across the Congo for grins. At one point, they came across a dirt road in the middle of nowhere, which their wheels turned into a rutted dirt track as soon as they drove over it. Apparently a few years earlier, a charity had gone there to build roads, but they hadn't bothered to pack the dirt down, so they were rapidly reverting to nature.

And, of course, hardly anyone had any vehicles there, anyway. Which is why they were the first people to tear it up by driving along it.

Complete and utter waste of time and money, except for the charity workers who got paid to go out there and do it, then virtue-signal to their friends when they got back. And the managers who presumably got paid a fat salary for managing it.
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Many of these charities only seem to exist to take money from well-meaning poor people in the West to fund the middle class to have nice jollies to the Third World....
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Poor people in rich countries giving money to rich people in poor countries.
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If it's money from their own wages, then surely that is their choice to spend it how they like. Is prostitution illegal in Haiti, or is there some clause in their contract against using prostitutes? Not my cup of tea, personally, but I read the whole BBC article wondering what they had done wrong. Mystified.
Came to the conclusion there must be more behind the scenes that has not been reported.
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I have become very jaded about big charity.
They get too big over a period of time and they get into "executive culture", where they forget just what their mandate should be and think they need to pay top salaries, inline with the business world, to retain mediocre talent.


I refrain from contributing to any charity with any religion in their name because as far as I am concerned much of the problem being "aided" by them is caused by them and aid to them is just another way of "spreading the word".
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If it's money from their own wages, then surely that is their choice to spend it how they like.
Maybe the people who donate the money to pay their wages should add a caveat to their bequests.

"Not to be used to pay for sex with distressed and vulnerable underage humanitarian crisis victims".

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