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Old 12th Feb 2018, 22:22
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I refrain from contributing to any charity with any religion in their name because as far as I am concerned much of the problem being "aided" by them is caused by them and aid to them is just another way of "spreading the word".
4-5 years ago after a bad cyclone in the phillipines we had a chance to do something. After some investigating we found out that fishing fleet which many had depended on had been wiped out. We collected enough for 2 fishing boats and ensured the money was remitted to local priest in the area who ensured they were bought and helped people get back on their feet. Along with other direct donations I believe 80% of the local fishing boats were replaced.
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Old 12th Feb 2018, 22:47
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Place your bets on how long before cuts announced in the overseas aid budget.
might be correct. why else recycle an old news story
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 06:35
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"11,000 people giving £2 a month might not save a dying little baby, but would exactly pay the £264,000 per year salary of Neil Kinnock’s daughter-in-law Helle Thorning-Schmidt, Chief Executive of Save the Children and wife of MP Stephen Kinnock. Misery for some is a goldmine for others."

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Old 13th Feb 2018, 07:07
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Was this Oxfam's money being spent on local goods and services? If not, then what the hell is this discussion about? The income I earned from my employer and indeed my pension is mine. It isn't the company's.
You completely miss the point.

Young women were being exploited. And more to the point they were being exploited by the very people who were supposed to ensure that they didn’t have to resort to measures such as prostitution.

I’m gobsmacked that anyone could think that what went on in Haiti was in any way justifiable.
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 09:25
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Was Oxfam responsible for 'creating' the market for prostitution - or was it a pre-existing market?
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 09:25
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Years ago I was employed in Africa. We had a lot of dealings with NGO,s. Early on i had proof the wrong people for wrong reasons were employed by the aid outfits. Not all of them of course. Gold, money or sexual favours were offered and accepted for a fast track for visa,s and other things.it used to make my skin cruel.
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 11:29
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Anybody else watch the interviews on C4 News last night ?...

Revelatory to say the least and it would appear that Oxfam management were upholding the" finest traditions" of UK management in many respects.

This article however sheds some more light as to possibly why Oxfam have been targeted despite the now emerging reports concerning other agencies.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...atel-rees-mogg

I would dispute the right wing media conspiracy, as such, so lets call it a combined effort and pooling of resources.
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 11:49
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I do find it all rather perplexing, if these people have done wrong then by all means take action against them, but to consider cutting the aid that is donated to these charities as a threat to hang over them is not hitting those that have allegedly done wrong, but those in need and at the bottom of the foodchain. There is only one I have donated to and that is Mary's meals.


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Old 13th Feb 2018, 12:08
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Been watching this story unfold over the weekend, whilst away (from a keyboard).

Like many here, I'm actually wondering what exactly these people have actually done wrong. I am assuming that they were "off duty" at the time, and spending their hard earned cash (and I'm sure it will have been hard earned) as they wished. The media has painted the women (I imagine they were women) as "victims" but my understanding of prostitution is that they offer their services, people accept that offer, and money changes hands for services rendered.

HOWEVER if prostitution was / is illegal in Haiti, then they will have committed an offence, for which they should have been prosecuted. If the women / men concerned were under age (as I believe I heard NOS news in The Netherlands say - my understanding of the Dutch language is limited) then there's much more cause for outrage, and a requirement for urgent action to be taken.

But other than that it looks to me as though the UK media's current obsession with all things relating to sexual behaviour, and a certain puritanical viewpoint which the UK media takes has turned a small story into something much bigger.

And putting this story ahead of 71 people losing their lives in Moscow, as BBC News chose to, is frankly nonsensical.
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 13:10
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Anybody else watch the interviews on C4 News last night ?...

Revelatory to say the least and it would appear that Oxfam management were upholding the" finest traditions" of UK management in many respects.

This article however sheds some more light as to possibly why Oxfam have been targeted despite the now emerging reports concerning other agencies.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...atel-rees-mogg

I would dispute the right wing media conspiracy, as such, so lets call it a combined effort and pooling of resources.

You seem desperate to change the subject to Brexit and stop people discussing this - any particular reason?
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 13:13
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post

But other than that it looks to me as though the UK media's current obsession with all things relating to sexual behaviour, and a certain puritanical viewpoint which the UK media takes has turned a small story into something much bigger.
I agree it is all getting out of hand - I'm more offended by the revelation that Mrs Kinnock gets £260,000 a year.
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 13:30
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And what about this enormous salary? Too much greed around.

PFA under pressure to address CEO Gordon Taylor's 'absolutely scandalous' £2.3m salary and bonus
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 13:42
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Surely what a Union Leader is paid is up to the members of that Union?. Why should anyone else have any input?
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 14:41
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I must be naive but I was more disappointed that the Chiefs had hold up in a villa with a pool - I sort of thought it would be a Hotel or some portacabins. Big waste of Oxfam money?
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 17:00
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Originally Posted by GKOC41 View Post
I must be naive but I was more disappointed that the Chiefs had hold up in a villa with a pool - I sort of thought it would be a Hotel or some portacabins. Big waste of Oxfam money?
Very good point.

Personally I won't give to Oxfam, Save The Children or Christian Aid - all of them have far too high overheads, and operate more like multinational businesses than charities. Nothing to do with these "scandals".

For me it's smaller charities, or ones I might need in my life - e.g. Cancer Research, RNLI, Air Ambulance etc. Selfish? Probably. Practical? Certainly.
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 17:13
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You make it sound like a lifestyle choice rather than one borne out of desperation. I simply can’t believe the number of people here who are blithely condoning the exploitation of vulnerable young women by the very people who are supposed to be helping them.
The alternative is to NOT make use of the local prostitutes and deprive them of desperately needed income. Taken to the natural economic conclusion, using moral standards to outlaw and restrict prostitution means starvation and death to some who are in the direst of circumstance.

Which thematically leads back to the west's obligation to provide aid and charity to those less fortunate. Prove to me that my aid has gotten from my hands, to those women in dire condition, and not some third-world potentate, goon, or dictator and I'll pony up again. Until that proffer, I'll decide how to spend my aid/hooker money - thank you very much.
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 17:53
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Interesting what DIDN’T Make any headlines was what should have been the huge scandal of Uganda’s non-existent refugees. Over many years Uganda have been receiving very large sums for refugees, who’s numbers it turns out were grossly overstated. Not only that but some of the actual refugees were forced to pay for basic needs. Unfortunately for them this (non) story didn’t have the word “sex” in the headline
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 19:34
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
For me it's smaller charities, or ones I might need in my life - e.g. Cancer Research, RNLI, Air Ambulance etc. Selfish? Probably. Practical? Certainly.
Indeed. As someone who spends time afloat and rides a motorcycle, RNLI and Air Ambulances are at the top of my list for any donations.
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 20:05
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Indeed. As someone who rides a motorcycle.
Thanks in advance for your donation!
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 20:31
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Oxfam re-launches

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