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Old 26th Jan 2018, 13:40
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I bet the animal charities will accept the money.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 13:47
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I bet the animal charities will accept the money.

From their behaviour that sounds appropriate.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 13:50
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If you have a daughter and she was put in that room, to be subjected to such behaviour, would you be happy about it?

I have no desire to get personal in this thread however, if, like me, you ask what your daughters are going to be getting up to when they go out, they would definitely not be "put in that room". If they were old enough to make the decision to go and be "put in the room" of their own accord, I suggest that something else is amiss with their lifestyle.

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Old 26th Jan 2018, 13:59
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
Spot on, apart from the last line.

A short test for all the dinasoars on here that think this sort of behaviour is ok, If you have a daughter and she was put in that room, to be subjected to such behaviour, would you be happy about it?
I see you subscribe to the Cathy Newman debating method: if your oponent does not, entirely, share your outrage at a certain event but attempts to insert a sense of proportion you immediately raise a straw man hypothesis.

Do you have any evidence at all that anyone’s daughter was put in that room?

I have daughters, (granddaughters, sister, nieces); I wouldn’t put any of them in that room. But my daughters - adults in law - are free to conduct their lives as they see fit.

If my daughter decided that £175 was good earnings for a couple of hours spent providing eye-candy and slapping away the wandering hands of some boozed up captains of industry and the like that is her business.

However, I would have advised that: if you are going to descend into a what-happens-in-Vegas-stays-in-Vegas bear pit and strut around in your f#@k-me heels with your butt-cheeks hanging out, don’t come bleating to me if you pick up a few ‘paw prints.’

We often wonder how we have raised a generation of snowflakes. I think one reason is that somewhere along the way we closed the ‘School of Hard Knocks.’
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 14:02
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I believe that there are people (male and female) for whom the opportunity to be 'discovered' by the likes of Harvey Weinstein would be attractive.
WRT the recent event, the possibility of being 'picked up' by a sugar daddy might also feature in the aspirations of some.
Why do footballers have no end of offers of sexual encounters?
For others, think of groupies looking for one-night-stands and you might begin to understand the thinking of some participants - just as it is for many on nights out in most cities. That doesn't make it right - but there are people for whom that is their way of life.

For those who were hoodwinked into accepting the job, there was always the possibility of saying no and administering a slap.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 16:58
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
And then there was that "little bit of paper" the women were required to sign.....why should that be if this was just a purely charity fund raising dinner then ?
It's perfectly reasonable to be required to sign something saying that they won't rush off to their broker to act on some overheard business gossip.

It's not, of course, reasonable, and surely to goodness cannot be legally enforceable, to sign something to say that you won't report any crimes you happen to witness (or even be a victim to).
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 17:21
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Originally Posted by Dutystude View Post
I see you subscribe to the Cathy Newman debating method: if your oponent does not, entirely, share your outrage at a certain event but attempts to insert a sense of proportion you immediately raise a straw man hypothesis.

Do you have any evidence at all that anyone’s daughter was put in that room?

I have daughters, (granddaughters, sister, nieces); I wouldn’t put any of them in that room. But my daughters - adults in law - are free to conduct their lives as they see fit.

If my daughter decided that £175 was good earnings for a couple of hours spent providing eye-candy and slapping away the wandering hands of some boozed up captains of industry and the like that is her business.

However, I would have advised that: if you are going to descend into a what-happens-in-Vegas-stays-in-Vegas bear pit and strut around in your f#@k-me heels with your butt-cheeks hanging out, don’t come bleating to me if you pick up a few ‘paw prints.’

We often wonder how we have raised a generation of snowflakes. I think one reason is that somewhere along the way we closed the ‘School of Hard Knocks.’
Ah the "School of Hard Knocks ".....a much fabled establishment here on JB...so lets think.... bring back corporal punishment in schools ?....public executions ?....dunking alleged witches ?.....remove the right to vote for women ?...bear baiting ?....transportation ?...the poor / workhouse ?...no benefits ?

The so called "generation of snowflakes " are far from immune to the vagaries of life but, they are entitled to benefit from societal progress and development.

And that includes treating women not as sex objects to be leered at, pawed over and subjected to unwarranted sexual advances from....men... but with respect.

GTW..Client confidentiality is one thing and that's well established. However, this has no relevance to the evening in question.....as these ladies explain....

https://www.channel4.com/news/non-di...antha-mangwana
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
It's perfectly reasonable to be required to sign something saying that they won't rush off to their broker to act on some overheard business gossip.

It's not, of course, reasonable, and surely to goodness cannot be legally enforceable, to sign something to say that you won't report any crimes you happen to witness (or even be a victim to).
My memory of the detail of contract law is not as clear as it once was, but I do remember that some clauses in contracts can be unenforceable if they are superseded by law, either contract or criminal.

The common example given is where someone pays for a service that would expect a certain duty of care, say storing their coat in a paid-for coat storage facility at a big party or the like, where there is a sign saying that the proprietor takes no responsibility for any damage or loss. Such a term is unenforceable, as you have entered into a formal contract (there has been an offer, an acceptance of that offer and the exchange of a consideration) where the implied expectation is that the proprietor WILL take all reasonable measures to prevent damage or loss to your property whilst looking after it for you.


In this case, no NDA would prevent the disclosure of an form of criminal assault, be that common assault or sexual assault, so any of the ladies that signed this NDA are perfectly free to report any alleged crime.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 19:22
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The agencies that provide freelancers for 'gigs' (short term contracts) get ALL their personnel to sign a contract that sets out expectations of conduct, one of which will be to respect the confidentiality of the companies/staff/property and intellectual property that they are likely to come into contact with in the course of their work. As stated, criminal acts would NOT be covered by any NDA signed.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 20:49
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Right, so I return all the money. Well unless I have reserves u am going to struggle finding the spare cash.

Now who am I going to give it to? Nightmare trying to trace donors many of whom may wish to avoid the publicity, especially from earlier events.

Now while it is possible that such events took place previously it was neither alleged nor proven.

I wonder whether this refunding is more smoke and mirrors than reality.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 22:29
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Why do footballers have no end of offers of sexual encounters?

I remember Peter Crouch being interviewed and being asked "What would you have been if you had not become a Premiership footballer?" He replied : "A virgin".
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 23:57
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GTW..Client confidentiality is one thing and that's well established. However, this has no relevance to the evening in question.....as these ladies explain....

https://www.channel4.com/news/non-di...antha-mangwana
Was it just me, or was the comrade from the TUC looking daggers at the interviewer in the opening seconds?

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And that includes treating women not as sex objects to be leered at, pawed over and subjected to unwarranted sexual advances from....men... but with respect.
So what about those careers and roles where woman actively encourage men to treat them as sex objects and be leered at? As someone else mentioned, if there is a precedent that members of the female sex will encourage the attentions of men in order to procure monetary or materiel favours, and that members of the female sex actively seek out rich men for this reason, surely the respectful thing to do would be for men not to enter into these transactions.

And how do you stand where it is a man seeking the attention from other men?
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 08:03
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When my brother was in the Met police I went to a couple of their stag nights
The female entertainment left very little to the imagination
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 08:19
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The Archbishop of Canterbury has weighed in against all male events.

He has obviously forgotten about the last supper!
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 08:37
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
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But I do agree that the British abroad can, and are, objectionable to everybody as you say. A positive embarrassment in fact and to be avoided wherever possible if you are can do so.
Speak for yourself, Komrad. We obviously travel in different circles! I have usually found 'the British abroad' that I have encountered to be very pleasant and have an interest in their travels (I have even had a 'local' somewhere, when finding out that we live in God's Own Country, reply "Oh good, you're British"!). Maybe your travels abroad have been more restricted to these circles: Woman going to Ibiza can?t even say it properly ??

I remember speaking to a (woman) cabin crew from Italy who was now working in Britain and she said that she found working in Britain to be far more pleasant, as in Italy she was constantly being groped by Italian passengers.

Let us not be too harsh on the British on all of this: Is this really a British 'problem' or is this rather a British 'solution' where here this is being reported while in so many other parts of the world the exact same will be carrying on but just 'brushed under the carpet'?
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 09:45
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Trossie, quite. I won't cite frequent bad or boorish begaviiuy by other nationalities and cultures.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 13:07
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Daily Mail article describes the unfair exploitation of women, along with right hand side bar filled with pictures and links to more articles that also largely exploit women. Par for the course...

If the investigation by the FT is accurate, I’m surprised that so many of the great and good would want to be part of such stag night type behaviour. Even if it does raise £2 million for charity, is it really appropriate in this day and age?
I'm sure a lot of things rich and poor men do behind closed doors are not appropriate in this day and age. The more rich, the more they feel entitled, in my experience. The desire for some lecherous adventures is pretty widespread amongst all economic classes. It's only moderated by what women and society as a whole will allow. Where liberties are granted, liberties will be taken.

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What was the FT journalist expecting, cucumber sandwiches and lemonade?. I would not be surprised if she was hoping to be groped in order to gain "column inches" and improve her "Journalistic" credentials. Indeed she may have encouraged it but to say so would not be politically correct. Was she also dressed as a "Tart"?
She got exactly what she went there for, a story. She was fully briefed ahead of time on what she should expect, including being groped and being propositioned. I'm confident she'd do it all over again if given the chance. Such visibility has to be a big boost to her career, even if she had to act like a tart to get the story.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 13:14
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But I do agree that the British abroad can, and are, objectionable to everybody as you say. A positive embarrassment in fact and to be avoided wherever possible if you are can do so.
Racism on the left is sneaky, but it's always there, and just as vicious as the racism on the right
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
I had a mate some years back, who to supplement his sporadic earnings from acting, moonlighted as a dancer in an all male troupe, a poor man's Chippendales, so to say. The stories that were imparted were shocking, bearing in mind the audiences were 99% female. What would be referred to as 'sexual assault' and 'sexual battery' these days were commonplace and some of the 'attackers' were very determined to get their way and were very aggressive when refused. All social groups catered to, mostly alcohol involved. Somehow acceptable then, perhaps now as well. He said that the best behaved were men in the Gay clubs that they performed in!
Females behaving badly when they don't get what they want? Especially when liquored up? Especially when competing with other females? Tell me it ain't so!

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Spot on, apart from the last line.
A short test for all the dinasoars on here that think this sort of behaviour is ok, If you have a daughter and she was put in that room, to be subjected to such behaviour, would you be happy about it?
Any moderately attractive female has fended off so many unwanted male advances in so many different situations by the time she is of working age that her 'radar' would pick this one up from a million miles away. If not, it might be a lesson from the school of hard knocks.

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I believe that there are people (male and female) for whom the opportunity to be 'discovered' by the likes of Harvey Weinstein would be attractive.
WRT the recent event, the possibility of being 'picked up' by a sugar daddy might also feature in the aspirations of some.
Why do footballers have no end of offers of sexual encounters?
For others, think of groupies looking for one-night-stands and you might begin to understand the thinking of some participants - just as it is for many on nights out in most cities. That doesn't make it right - but there are people for whom that is their way of life.
Life ain't fair. To me one of the ironies is that being a very attractive person can be so limiting. We all remember that girl in school who blossomed early and whose life was mostly about getting hit on by every boy who got a look at her chest? Attractive people soon figure out what their "assets" are and it surely impacts their life choices. Some say it allows them an easy path in life, but personally I'm glad I was left alone to figure out where my brain would take me rather than my looks. Some manage to do well with both brains and looks but it seems those with looks tend to not develop the brains as much as they would otherwise.

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For those who were hoodwinked into accepting the job, there was always the possibility of saying no and administering a slap.
Indeed.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 15:04
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Apparently, LBC radio received quite a few calls from some women that had been at the event saying they didn’t know what the reporter was talking about. They hadn’t seen or received unwelcome attention.

What is the truth?
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