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Old 12th Jan 2018, 03:18
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Has anyone here filed their own Patent?

If you have would you please tell me about it?
(in Jet blast )

I'm in the UK, and and not an Ltd. or such yet,
but any information on your experience of the filing process and
from any country will be very gratefully received.

Thanks for reading this far.

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Old 12th Jan 2018, 06:40
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From going through the process once:

My experience is it is an involved and costly process. Unless highly experienced, a competent attorney is required to ensure it is worded and filed with the best chance of succeeding.

You need to be clear about: your chances of successful granting, benefits, costs etc, because the costs can mount up.

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Old 12th Jan 2018, 07:21
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I had a friend for several years who was a recently retired corporate patent attorney, who oft expressed the opinion that a poorly drafted application or patent licence was no more than an expensive way to publish a manual on how to build your newly invented widget.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 07:36
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A client once wanted to turn something I'd done into a patent. I "never got round" to co-operating with their patent consultants, because I didn't want other programmers to be restricted from coming up with the same idea.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 07:45
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The Chinese will ignore it.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 08:27
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If you work for a company, they will employ an agent to ensure the designs you have made for the company are genuinely original and can be properly protected for their use. They might be generous and give you an award.
If it's your own private development, it will have to be really remarkable to make it worth the cost of protecting it properly, and then to fight the large corporations that will copy it.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 08:30
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You need a patent attorney/lawyer to do the job properly and without too much delay in the application being accepted. Not cheap.

A patent is only good for the country it is filed. "Worldwide"? Except China, you can apply in each country or the "Paris Agreement"? Where you can file for the whole lot but that wont be cheap.

Unfortunately, a patent is like a University Degree. Unless you are going to make use of it, it ain't worth the paper it is written on.

If you do receive a patent, regardless of country/territory you may take satisfaction, however perverse, that you thought of something that 7 billion others haven't'

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Old 12th Jan 2018, 09:58
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Use a agent, do it now , keep your mouth shut until granted, that is all.

Have filed and had 5 granted, only one has made money though ! ( so far )
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 10:50
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
The Chinese will ignore it.
Unless it's good. Then they will use it! Every time I fly my kids' drones I see my old Sikorsky UAV helicopter flight control patents in action.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 16:16
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I agree with all the comments. I have about 25 patents in my name, all paid for by various employers. I've also tried to do a couple in my own name. In the US. it will end up costing about $10K if you work with attorneys. Writing your own patents is a bit like developing your own instrument approaches - difficult to do and likely to end badly. I know one person who does but he has LOTS of experience.

As others have said, what is your objective? You don't have the means (I presume) to pursue an infringement case, so whether it's the Chinese or a western company, what are you going to do about it?

Since you're in the UK, your first filing would be in the UK, i.e. the European Patents Office. They can take up to TEN YEARS to issue! Once you've filed with the EPO, you can then file in other countries. Each application will cost essentially the same, and each examiner will bring their own share of irrelevant objections.

Companies - large and small - generally file patents primarily as bargaining chips, not directly to protect their intellectual property, except for a handful which are basically industrial scale patent trolls. The whole patent system is completely crazy.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 17:25
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I remember my boss wanting to patent a forging process.
Finally didn't bother, he said that all we are going to do is to show other people how to do what we do.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 17:33
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You don't have the means (I presume) to pursue an infringement case,
If the subject of a patent is a commercial success, then it becomes worth fighting over. For this reason, most companies do not like having a ticking time bomb locked away in someone's filing cabinet and will often settle quite generously.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 20:59
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Depends. If the infringing company is large and established, they don't care. All tech companies are constantly being assaulted by patent trolls, and they have lots of well-paid lawyers to deal with the problem. So when you accuse them of an infringement, their first instinct is just to let the lawyers deal with it.

"Honourable" companies (there are some, though a minority) MAY settle in the case where they have genuinely inadvertently infringed and they do not view you as a troll. But now you're into lottery territory. There are plenty of companies who will just set the lawyers on you until you run out of money, at which point you withdraw your infringement claim and the "ticking time bomb" stops ticking.

Companies which are trying to do an IPO or acquisition may settle quickly just to get the problem out of the way. There was a famous case of this with networking technology in the 1990s, where a UK company (Madge Networks) held out against a troll for years, but then was forced to give in when they wanted to IPO. But again, this is lottery territory.

There is also the strong probability that you patent a better mousetrap, but nobody is interested in using your idea. Or if they are, they take a very close look at your claims, and figure out a way to use your idea without infringing the claims.

If you plan to make a product out of your invention, and the nature of the patented invention can easily be determined by examination (e.g. something mechanical) then a patent is probably worthwhile. If you do NOT plan to build it yourself, then what? Try to sell it to companies who might want to use it? I've seen it tried many times, and I've never seen it work. Or just hang out waiting for someone to infringe, then go after them? That is a troll, and like I said, big tech companies are used to dealing with that.

If you have $10K or so that you don't mind spending, against a very small probability of a return, then go for it. As long as you understand that this is what you are doing.
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 03:24
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Produce the product, quickly get market share, then patent it.

A patent is only as good as the ability to enforce it.
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 06:54
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I have 10 patents in 2 different fields, all in production. 7 are for a privately developed product between four people - 2 financiers, myself and another mechanical engineer. The other 3 were for an employer, so I got nothing but a pat on the back.
My advice is firstly to honestly consider whether there is truly a lucrative market for the product. The vast majority of patents are answers to questions no one has asked.
Secondly, decide where you need to patent - you need to patent in every country where there is a potential market.
Costs vary widely, partly depending on whether it is an examining office or not. You need to also consider the cost of annual fees.
Patent writing is a art - DIY will not work. Hire the best attorney you can afford.
Consider that if your invention is a winner, the predators will be after you and the winner is not determined by fairness or justice, but by depth of pocket.
We went through that and it turned really nasty safes cracked, telephones tapped and a provisional patent stolen from the patents office The aggressor was a deep pocketed British corporate who started a court action. Fast running out of money, our only option was to licence the product to an even bigger Swiss company on condition that they fought the case. Several million and 5 years later we won.
The downside being that we only get licence fees - we wanted to build a company around the product.
The whole saga left me very disillusioned.
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 16:32
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IF the product is truly innovative and has a significant market, then it's probably worth patenting, BUT it will be expensive & time consuming. If it's got middling innovation or middling market, you are probably quicker, cheaper and better just tweaking the features of the design into something unique and trademarking it, as the patent process is extremely time consuming and expensive.

One key piece of advice I got from our Company [V Large Multi-national] Patent Lawyers.
  • Describe it to no-one,
  • Sell it to no-one, and
  • Let no-one see it or hear about it until at least six months after you have the patent award in your hand
Otherwise, it will end up classed as being released into the public domain before award & the patent will become null & void after a protracted and expensive legal battle. Even then, you'll likely end up spending most of the next 2 years or more in court defending it, especially if it really is a widely usable and profitable idea.

Sorry for sounding negative, but Patenting can get very nasty.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 02:42
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I've got my name on a few, nice to have but I don't get any money from them, even the one with only my name on. All I had to do was write up the basic idea and give it to someone else in the company, then sign a few bits of paperwork some years later (they found and contact me via LinkedIn as I'd moved country).

For an individual, a good reason to apply for a patent is if you have an idea but need to persuade some large manufacturer to sign up and do the real production work. Many of them won't even talk to you unless you've applied for a patent because one of their greatest fears is that they're working on something similar and are further advanced than you are. However, if you've got the patent application (it doesn't need to be granted at this point if you sign non-disclosure agreements) in the system then they're going to have to deal with it at some point and may well get a better deal from you by being nice now rather than nasty later.

ETA: Very often if you can get a large manufacturer on board then part of the agreement is that they will defend the patent because it's in their interest to suppress the competition.
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