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Old 1st Jan 2018, 16:07
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Undertaking using the emergency lane!

Visiting friends in the UK for Christmas/New Year. Returning to LGW but became stuck in stationary traffic this afternoon on M3. Is it me or does anyone else get severely hacked off with the chancers who smugly hammer it up the emergency lane to bypass the queue and then push back into the line. Pity I was returning a hire car otherwise it would have been so tempting to squeeze them out.

Surely this is totally illegal?
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 16:48
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You said it all with "Returning to LGW...". What a horrible part of the world to drive in with so many unpleasant drivers. Any roads within about 100 miles of London are best avoided!
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 16:54
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Did you mean "overtaking". In my part of the world "undertaking" means a completely different thing, which could come into play if one is overtaking in a wrong lane...
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Old 1st Jan 2018, 17:52
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Yes, Annakm, driving along the hard shoulder (unless it is signed as an open driving lane) is illegal in the UK.
Best thing to do is let the illegal drivers get on with it, the plethora of CCTV cameras should pick them up.
I made the mistake of "blocking" back in the 90's after having three cars queue-jump past me on the hard shoulder of the M4. The fourth car, which got briefly stuck behind me was actually an unmarked police car. They went past me but I felt a right idiot and wouldn't do it again.

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Old 1st Jan 2018, 17:53
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Happened earlier this year to a friend of mine on the South Circular when she was in a traffic jam and undertaken by a car in the bus lane. When the traffic started moving, a couple of hundreds yard further up she was delighted to see the guy had been tugged and the cop was issuing the ticket to the driver outside the car on the pavement so passing motorists could hurl abuse at the cretin.

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Old 1st Jan 2018, 20:44
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Originally Posted by annakm View Post
Visiting friends in the UK for Christmas/New Year. Returning to LGW but became stuck in stationary traffic this afternoon on M3. Is it me or does anyone else get severely hacked off with the chancers who smugly hammer it up the emergency lane to bypass the queue and then push back into the line. Pity I was returning a hire car otherwise it would have been so tempting to squeeze them out.

Surely this is totally illegal?
This kind of situation yes.

What I’ve seen once while stuck in traffic is people trying to “squeeze” and bloc a tow truck using the emergency lane to bypass traffic!
Zero brain for doing so as tow truck was presumably trying to access an accident or broken down vehicle site causing the jam.

I also happen to know someone how drives tow trucks for a living and he said that he had this kind of situation happen a few time. Beacon lights on and honking not changing anyhing.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 00:41
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Normal practice here in Thailand ,especially during the holiday season when drivers will try and make 5 lanes!!I will post the accident stats for the new year period ,for example Friday 29th dec there were 90 deaths and 727 drunk drivers arrested!!People who die in hospital are not included in the statistics!!
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Rank amateurs compared with Jakarta, particularly during Mudik.

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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 05:51
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Originally Posted by annakm View Post
Visiting friends in the UK for Christmas/New Year. Returning to LGW but became stuck in stationary traffic this afternoon on M3. Is it me or does anyone else get severely hacked off with the chancers who smugly hammer it up the emergency lane to bypass the queue and then push back into the line. Pity I was returning a hire car otherwise it would have been so tempting to squeeze them out.

Surely this is totally illegal?
It is totally illegal, but, here in the UK we have a surfeit of motoring morons who feel they have an exemption from the Road Traffic Act.

Commonly seen when in standing traffic and getting close to an exit, rather than wait, they will simply use the hard shoulder to get to the exit and when one does it, the herd instinct duly induces others to follow.

Can be seen UK wide, so it's far from confined to the South East ....based on the experience of somebody who "doesn't get out much "...allegedly.
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annakm: Which part of the M3 were you on? The last 12 miles or so, leading up to Junction 2 (M25) has no emergency lane. The old hard shoulder has been converted into a running lane and the emergency stop requirement is catered for by dedicated emergency only lay by areas.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 07:50
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
It is totally illegal, but, here in the UK we have a surfeit of motoring morons who feel they have an exemption from the Road Traffic Act.

Commonly seen when in standing traffic and getting close to an exit, rather than wait, they will simply use the hard shoulder to get to the exit and when one does it, the herd instinct duly induces others to follow.

Can be seen UK wide, so it's far from confined to the South East ....based on the experience of somebody who "doesn't get out much "...allegedly.
It stems from a number of factors, including crass road design, poor training, and too much traffic management, and when something does occur, taking too long to clear the closed lanes. All leads to frustration, and the kind of stupid behaviour witnessed by the OP. None of the factors I have mentioned excuse such behaviours one iota.

Most of us can look at the design of interchanges and in particular traffic islands that we use and ask just how people supposedly qualified in road design and traffic management can possible manufacture pigs in pokes to the extent that they appear to.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 09:17
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Someone asked about 'overtaking/undertaking'. 'Undertaking' is overtaking in the wrong lane, in Britain that is the left side.

What annakm asked about is totally illegal:

UK Highway Code:

Para 264 "You MUST ​​NOT ​drive on the hard shoulder except in an
emergency or if directed to do so by the police, HA traffic officers
in uniform or by signs."

Para 268 "Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to
overtake."

Para 269 "​You MUST​​ NOT​ use the hard shoulder for overtaking."

Two points on this. There are a lot of drivers (and we could 'stereotype' to makes of car if you want!) who feel that they can just do as they want. There are also a lot of drivers on the roads in Britain who have never done a British driving test and probably don't know of the existence of the British Highway Code.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 09:25
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
annakm: Which part of the M3 were you on? The last 12 miles or so, leading up to Junction 2 (M25) has no emergency lane. The old hard shoulder has been converted into a running lane and the emergency stop requirement is catered for by dedicated emergency only lay by areas.
I suspect the OP meant the M23.
The other dangerous tactic there is to pass the gatwick taiback at high speed in the oustide lane, then swerve across the road, slam on the brakes and force a way into the front of the queue.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 09:37
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My goodness gracious, if you didn’t drive illegally in Johannesburg, while on the telephone, you’d never get anywhere. It doesn’t even help to wave a handgun out of the window any more, all the taxi minivan drivers and many of their passengers too are armed with AK 47s.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 09:38
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post

There are also a lot of drivers on the roads in Britain who have never done a British driving test and probably don't know of the existence of the British Highway Code.
From Daily Telegraph 2016:
Nearly 70,000 potentially dangerous unlicensed drivers have been given “pointless” penalty points, new figures show.

Obviously a lot more who haven't been caught yet.

This probably explains a lot of what we see on the roads every day.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 09:41
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" There are also a lot of drivers on the roads in Britain who have never done a British driving test and probably don't know of the existence of the British Highway Code.

Well of course there are. The UK does get a lot of tourists after all. And we get commercial vehicles as well. I am unaware of any requirement for these drivers to take a British driving test.

What other possible, and decidedly less than subtle inference, could you be making I wonder ?

And for ATNotts.....reference hold ups / time there's usually only one source....enter the "never fit and never will be for purpose"......the Highways Agency. Truly " World Class" when it comes to combing woeful incompetence and ineptitude..... in equal measure.

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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 10:35
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Have to confess to using the hard shoulder once to undertake, many years ago, to access the off slip (so no pushing back in). Well, it was a genuine emergency, I was very very late to catch my plane, but I made check in with seconds to spare. Unfortunately, my utterly unbelievable secretary had failed to make out the ticket for the new departure time following arrival of BST or GMT or whatever, and the check in lassie advised that I was exactly 59 minutes too late.
The lesson learned was "Never surrender the hire car keys until after you have checked in."
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 11:26
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
annakm: Which part of the M3 were you on? The last 12 miles or so, leading up to Junction 2 (M25) has no emergency lane. The old hard shoulder has been converted into a running lane and the emergency stop requirement is catered for by dedicated emergency only lay by areas.

Hello Kelvin. I was stationary approaching Junction 4 (Camberley?) northbound. The warning displays were indicating a stranded vehicle which I would have assumed was on the emergency lane so even more reason for not using it inappropriately.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 12:04
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Have to confess to using the hard shoulder once to undertake, many years ago, to access the off slip (so no pushing back in). Well, it was a genuine emergency, I was very very late to catch my plane, but I made check in with seconds to spare.
I'm sorry but that doesn't sound like a genuine emergency and I don't think the courts would accept it. If we all used the hard shoulder when we were late it would no longer be available for its intended purposes.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 18:24
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I suspect the OP meant the M23.
The other dangerous tactic there is to pass the gatwick taiback at high speed in the outside lane, then swerve across the road, slam on the brakes and force a way into the front of the queue.
Sallyann, I accept that the will be 'experienced' locals that will pull this trick as required. OTOH I am sure infrequent drivers can get caught in the wrong lane. True modern satnav should display distance to junction etc but you can still be caught out.

Years ago I was so caught with a the M25 tailback on A1M. In that case though made an instant replan to use the Woolwich Ferry.
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