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Old 29th Dec 2017, 18:52   #1 (permalink)
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Drunk Tanks

Great idea. Only issue, why arenít they to be funded by a charge in the drunken oafs who require them?
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Great idea. Only issue, why arenít they to be funded by a charge in the drunken oafs who require them?
Maybe supply a choir to sing Galway Bay to them.
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Maybe supply a choir to sing Galway Bay to them.

Or Rule Britannia maybe??
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...or a scratchy recording of 99 bottles of beer on the wall...repeating..
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Old 29th Dec 2017, 21:59   #5 (permalink)
 
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Funding is dead easy.

Be able to walk out the door under your own steam & not be picked up for anything on your way home within eight hours. Cost to you is zero.

Not be able to walk out of the door inside 8 hours & get home, or be picked up for another offence on the way. Up before a 24 hour court & handed civil fine of running costs for the facility for that day or average running costs (including court)n since last drunk appeared before the beak, up to a maximum of 1 day's costs, whichever is the lesser [I'm not unreasonable].

Cost are covered, no-one gets a criminal record and there's a buried incentive to limit drinking outside of busy periods, just in case you end up as the only one funding the day's costs.

There could also be options for fine accelerators for overcrowding the drunk tank if it's busy, but I leave that to the fine minds of the NHS management and HM government's legal advisors.
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A spell in the stocks with the word DRUNK prominently displayed after they have paid the fine, of course.
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Great idea. Only issue, why aren’t they to be funded by a charge in the drunken oafs who require them?
Once Upon A Time a gatecrasher to one of our parties got drunk and went to sleep in the bath. We didn't want to just chuck him out, as it was below freezing outside and we thought he might not last the night. So we called the police to ask for advice.

The police came round, picked him up, took him out of the house, deposited him on the pavement. Then said "oh look what we've found, someone drunk and incapable in a public place" and arrested him. He got a £30 fine the next morning (this was a long time ago).

He came round to see us to apologise for causing trouble, and said that he reckoned the £30 was good value for being kept safe and warm and checked throughout the night.
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Well it wouldn't be the NYPD choir. Apparently the NYPD doesn't have a choir!
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Great idea. Only issue, why aren’t they to be funded by a charge in the drunken oafs who require them?
The simple answer would be to introduce (if it isn't there already) a fixed penalty notice for being drunk and disorderly. AFAIK it's still an arrestable offence, so make the fixed penalty equal to the cost of running the drunk tank.


Might be an idea to make these more public, too. I remember going to a festival in the early 70's (I think it was Reading) where one of the local school playgrounds, that fronted a main road road and had 12ft high chain link fencing all around, had been taken over by the police and used to hold those arrested for drug offences (and then it would only have been dealers, as like now the police ignored stuff that they deemed was just for personal use).

No harm in a bit of public naming and shaming, in my view. I used to look forward to our local paper coming out on a Wednesday when we lived in Scotland, as our local Sheriff was extremely good at handing out scathing admonishments when sentencing that weekends crop of people arrested for being drunk (I think the charge was often something like "causing fear and alarm to the general populace", one of those peculiarly Scottish offences, in the same way that public admonishments were still a part of the sentencing process).
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It is estimated that it costs between £300 and £400 a night to hold someone in a police cell while police can issue a fine of up to £80 for an offence of drunk and disorderly.
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It is estimated that it costs between £300 and £400 a night to hold someone in a police cell while police can issue a fine of up to £80 for an offence of drunk and disorderly.
Looks like two fixes are needed.

First, it doesn't need a police cell, with all the overheads of a custody suite, just to hold drunks, something very basic would do the job, so the cost per night could be reduced a fair bit.

Secondly, the fine could be increased to cover the cost of running the drunk tanks, and be made a fixed penalty, so there are no court costs involved.

Sounds do-able to me, especially if the NHS have seen fit to invest in specially made vehicles to do this job already in some places. Switch responsibility from the NHS to the police, so the inmates can get a hefty fixed penalty, and maybe this might be another way to reduce disruptive binge drinking.
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I knew a guy in LA who was a hard core aloholic who would drink to the point his partner would have to take him to ER (if the cops hadnít picked him out the gutter first)fearing he was dying of alcohol poisoning. The 4th or 5th time she took him they were refused service, the doctor rightly said the patients He was charged with caring for are trying to live, this guy is trying to die and there is nothing he could do to prevent that, they were then asked to leave the hospital. Predictably several months later after a hard binge his stomach blew up to an enormous size he turned a funny colour and died within a few days, leaving a young family. Itís obvious that if you have that monkey on your back your going to be a financial burden on your family and society until you stop drinking one way or the other.
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Local authorities can already impose a late night levy on bars with late licences to cover additional policing costs - looks like this should be extended to cover drunk tank costs
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Bristol 'drunk tank' stops 15 hospital admissions.
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Local authorities can already impose a late night levy on bars with late licences to cover additional policing costs - looks like this should be extended to cover drunk tank costs
Two problems with this. Firstly, the sensible drinkers would be paying for the excesses of the others. Secondly, those picked up may have been drinking elsewhere anyway, possibly at a friend's or a private party.

Make the drunk pay. You wouldn't expect to contribute towards someone else's speeding fine would you?
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We've all done it, gone a little too far on the drop and ending up embarrassing ourselves in front of our friends. Most of us learn from that, apologise to our friends, and try not to be such a burden again in future, with the odd occasional blip.

Unfortunately a true alcoholic will not have many, if any, supportive friends left as they go down the same old spiral dive time and time again. Such is the loss of self control that at some stage drink driving (rather attempt at) comes into it with all the issues that it carries.

In my state, it is illegal for any merchant - club, bar, bottle shop - to sell alcohol to someone who is already drunk, and they risk losing their liquor licence if they do. This also includes those that have become drunk by drinking at just the one bar. This law works quite well.

Of course it can be exploited, but often needs a group of friends for it to be achieved.

Anyways, here's to being able to hold your own drink.

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Old 30th Dec 2017, 15:15   #18 (permalink)
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Secondly, the fine could be increased to cover the cost of running the drunk tanks, and be made a fixed penalty, so there are no court costs involved.
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Could become like parking fines. "Ah, there's a likely one. Get her one more vodka then we can pop her in the tank. That'll keep the cash flow up."
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I'm not convinced that true alcoholics are the public nuisance problem that "drunk tanks" are aimed to try and resolve. Around here we have binge drinkers (often groups of young women) who are the biggest nuisance. They go out on a Friday or Saturday night and get blind drunk, to the point where they collapse in the street. Most of them are probably pretty normal most of the time, it seems to be a social trend to go out crawling from one pub/club to the next, getting ever more pissed. Groups of blokes do it as well, but from what I've seen they often seem to be able to hold it together a bit better than the lasses.
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One of the penalties of 'equal opportunities' .
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