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Old 25th Nov 2017, 22:10
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Originally Posted by kkbuk View Post
....... the Brits are idle and workshy and I must agree.
What? Still?

I thought Maggie sent all that lot to Australia.
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Old 25th Nov 2017, 22:14
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Originally Posted by kkbuk View Post
the Brits are idle and workshy and I must agree.
Bit of a sweeping statement. I would suggest that there are more Brits than any other EU nationality working throughout the globe - Brits are more prepared to trek halfway around the world for a job than any other EU national that I can think of.
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 00:05
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How do we increase productivity?
Pay a decent wage and treat employees like human beings.

Instead people are viewed as disposable and treated as such, wages are often rock bottom minimum because there are always others out there waiting to do the job...

After University in the 90's at an interview for a Management job I was offered (but rejected) I was gobsmacked to be told "the workers can be rough, but don't worry they come and go, just don't be too friendly with them"... was genuinely shocked!
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 07:20
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The way to increase productivity is to start making things again. It basically means "de-globalising" the world, but that's the only way you'll ever resuscitate dying industries. Don't import it just because it's cheaper, make it yourselves and buy it because it's better and the money stays in your country rather than going offshore to some multinational with a tax haven in the Cayman Islands. It just means people in the western world have to re-learn how to work to make a living. That's going to take a major cultural re-alignment.
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 07:34
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Criticalmass, quite so. Start making physical things and doing things that are needed/wanted, rather than making intangible deals and dodgy financial instruments.
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 07:36
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You increase production by having leaders instead of managers.


And you need to give those leaders enough rope to work but not enough to hang the company.
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 08:37
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kkbuk: What rubbish! Maybe the BL tales are true, I don't know. I do know, as a Briton and having been a member of the armed services and a "worker" in many different countries etc that your version of life is radically different to mine.
When I first began working in Germany, I made myself unpopular with my new work mates when they all stopped working at around 09:00. I asked where they were going and the answer was "breakfast". I asked why they didn't eat breakfast at home, as I did, and then come to work to "work". They were offended by the thought.
I had a period of working for Ford, assembling Escorts. That was the closest thing to modern day slavery I have experienced and I often wondered where the supervisors kept their whips! Every car on the assembly line was numbered and when it came time for a break, the supervisor would come along and tell you to be back by car number XXX. More than once, I was hit in the back by the next car on the line behind the one I was working on.
I once had a job removing and installing concrete on the inside of power station boilers. Certain jobs called for us to work from Friday evening to Monday morning with only tea breaks, sandwich breaks etc. Go home Monday morning, have a kip and back to work on the next boiler by Monday evening. And don't say "well, that is not typical" because it was. Your experience seems to stem from the 1960s at 2 particular jobs.
I recommend you keep watching "All our Yesterdays"!
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 09:08
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criticalmass, nice ideas with a small problem. Keeping local production you encourage local bosses to be lazy and produce crappy products yet make big money.
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 09:46
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RiS - only if it's a monopoly or cartel. Normally market forces will weed out the bosses you describe.
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 10:23
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I worked on a construction project in London for a German client back in the late 1990's and even at that time their cultural approach to the working day was very evident. The big surprise to the UK members of the construction team was the concept of zero defects at the project handover. Needless to say, the project didn't get handed over as anticipated.

This article struck some chords.
https://www.agencycentral.co.uk/arti...an-germany.htm
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 10:52
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" that's the only way you'll ever resuscitate dying industries."

what it says on the tin - they are dying because no-one wants to buy anything they make - look at B Leyland? and then at the imported Japanese and German cars.... Of course you can pull up the drawbridge and only alow Brits to buy crap local cars but that way lies the Lada

basic industry is EASy - that's why it's all gone East - the hard stuff - like making aeroengines is still here but it doesn't employ lots of people

Services are either local (supermarket stacking) or hard (International law and investment) - in either case that's the future - and lets hope its more of the latter than the former
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 10:53
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Productivity improvements at the expense of quality.

My $300 ASUS netbook has never crashed in it's 9 year life unlike my 3 y/o $1200 macbook pro which crashes several times a month.

Recently I purchased a set of gas struts for my car bonnet at $15 which included postage. How do they make their money? Then it occurred to me too late that this is what you fit when you want to offload the vehicle which is not my intention. So there is the conundrum, are those alternative $50 set of gas struts better or is some smart executive making a killing?

People genuinely are willing to pay for good gear, but such is the climate right now that the equation is less about productivity and more about exploitation as company executives only seem to focus on getting rich quick.

We all know a story or two about some company that spent years building up their brand then sold themselves out to make extremely inferior products which carried huge profit margins.

Loyalty in the corporate world? Never.
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Old 27th Nov 2017, 01:23
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When I read this thread, I couldn't help but recall Alexis De Toqueville. His essays on America, and the economic engine are so valid. And today, I found a political story that may not be well-received, but check out the stats on the regulations in the US. I'm certain the UK is in the same boat, as well as what comes from the EU.

Trump?s assault on the administrative state will benefit America | Fox News

Sobering. I have been gainfully employed since the age of 13. I don't feel bad if my contributions now at 61 are lagging a bit. I've paid, and have the scars to prove it.
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Old 27th Nov 2017, 15:54
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
kkbuk: What rubbish! Maybe the BL tales are true, I don't know. I do know, as a Briton and having been a member of the armed services and a "worker" in many different countries etc that your version of life is radically different to mine.
When I first began working in Germany, I made myself unpopular with my new work mates when they all stopped working at around 09:00. I asked where they were going and the answer was "breakfast". I asked why they didn't eat breakfast at home, as I did, and then come to work to "work". They were offended by the thought.
I had a period of working for Ford, assembling Escorts. That was the closest thing to modern day slavery I have experienced and I often wondered where the supervisors kept their whips! Every car on the assembly line was numbered and when it came time for a break, the supervisor would come along and tell you to be back by car number XXX. More than once, I was hit in the back by the next car on the line behind the one I was working on.
I once had a job removing and installing concrete on the inside of power station boilers. Certain jobs called for us to work from Friday evening to Monday morning with only tea breaks, sandwich breaks etc. Go home Monday morning, have a kip and back to work on the next boiler by Monday evening. And don't say "well, that is not typical" because it was. Your experience seems to stem from the 1960s at 2 particular jobs.
I recommend you keep watching "All our Yesterdays"!
Actually my latter experiences working on power stations stemmed from 1995 to 2005, I could quote many more instances but as you probably won't believe them I shall not bother but I do retain the belief that many British employees are idle s...s!
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