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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 08:44
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Journalism?

What happened to proof reading?
This from the Express.........

Argentine submarine: RAF in Falklands for 'first time' since WAR to aid desperate search.
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 11:10
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There are no proof readers any more - they cost money, don't they?

So-called journalists just write articles now without checking the facts. The daily newspapers are probably the worst for this, because they are more interested in attracting advertising revenue than they are in presenting factual news.
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 11:36
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Originally Posted by Linedog View Post
What happened to proof reading?
This from the Express.........

Argentine submarine: RAF in Falklands for 'first time' since WAR to aid desperate search.
Linedog, can yous plees change the titel to "What happened to literacy?"
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 12:43
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Originally Posted by Linedog View Post
What happened to proof reading?
One is told that there used to be things called "sub editors" who did that sort of stuff. These days the journos can write a piece on their phone and upload it straight from the pub to the newspaper's web site.
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 12:49
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
These days the journos can write a piece on their phone and upload it straight from the pub to the newspaper's web site.
Which explains the many word substitutions (alternate spelling) inserted by spooling chuckers.
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 18:08
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Agreed about the terrible use of grammar, vocabulary & spelling. I was astonished at the demise of the profession as it used to be that journalists came from higher education, usually in the written word.
Today, what gripes me, is the incomplete report. They report the event, but not the build up or underlying events that led to the what they are reporting. A recent example we've all heard of is the mind boggling auction of a >U$400m dollar painting. Everyone was talking about the sale, the buyer, a little history as to how it had been bought for a song some decades ago, but nothing about the seller and its most recent history. How had t come to auction. Complete the story. The story focused only on the sale price and not the background. Boring.
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 18:35
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Generally speaking, journalists are people who are trained to write about subjects of which they have no knowledge.
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 18:57
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Planet Basher, I think you have just given the perfect definition!
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 19:06
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
Which explains the many word substitutions (alternate spelling) inserted by spooling chuckers.
But there is then the advantage that you can complain about such things direct to the journo on Twitter and he can fix it there and then, at 9pm on a Sunday.
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 19:30
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One of my own leitmotifs. Fortunately, the book of faces gives me the opportunity, which I take liberally, to point out the many shortcomings of contemporary "news" reporting.

The smattering of 'likes' and the very occasional responses from the media itself lead me to believe that many people in my age cohort are also struggling with the triumph of 'lowest common denominator' output.
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 22:25
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TVNZ One last evening - highlighted the debate about IMMAGRATION. Large font across the screen. If they can't spell it, they're not going to talk sensibly about it ....
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 23:09
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Things have changed.

Traditional News organisations have been decimated and there aren't any checks before anything goes live anymore.

'Journalists' don't even seem to use spell checkers.

One error I see occasionally is the use of 'prescribed' in the place of 'proscribed'. Very different meaning.

I could get all worked up about grammatical,usage and spelling errors but what's the point ?
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 23:42
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Lol! Journo's are just there to trot out complete and utter hype with no interest in facts at all! Perfect example! Transiting an international airport some years ago on a ferry at 3,000 ft a 737 from Company "A" (c/s ABC 123) was stuck lined up on Runway XX (cabin headcount error). A Company "A" 737 (c/s ABC 456) was also on on long final. Long discussion between both 737's and ATC who finally decided "Look, ABC 456, company traffic unlikely to depart; break-break ABC 123 hold position [R/way] XX Company traffic will be going around through the overhead, break-break ABC 456, go around, I say again, go around - stop climb 2000 ft!" I was v happy with the "stop climb" aspect and had a grand view of a 737 (c/s ABC 456) passing underneath S&L @ 1000ft below! Arrived home and turned on local news. Clearly a slow news day as layabout Journo was now interviewing the "survivors"! I kid you not... "Sir, so as you nearly crashed into the plane on the runway, did you think you were going to die?" Most of what the muppet pax said was in grunts, but, roughly translated, it seemed to be "Yes, I thought I was going to die!". Clearly, all pax with 1/2 a brain cell or more had long gone home - leaving the Journo, clearly putting words into the mouths of these equally brainless muppet Pax! I very nearly rang the TV channel to complain .... but stopped. I could just see the headline "Packed holiday jet nearly crashes into packed holiday jet on runway and then narrowly misses a small plane seconds later!!!" I realised the airfield PR team had more than enough on their plate with Muppet journo without me feeding the idiot further info he could distort! Since then, I read papers/watch news realising it is all complete rubbish. "Journalistic freedom" = "you can't sue me when I lie!!!". Can you tell I don't like the press much? Or solicitors? Or bankers? Or doctors? Or traffic wardens? Or ........ Maybe I should just change my account name to Victor Meldrew!!!!! :-)

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I could get all worked up about grammatical,usage and spelling errors but what's the point ?
You might even go back to school and learn about punctuation.

Such as when to use a comma.

Such as when to put spaces between characters.

Such as when not to.
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Old 24th Nov 2017, 00:48
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Since you have called me out Caz, I'd be delighted if you would demonstrate the correct way to punctuate,use spaces and commas in the sentence you quoted.

I suspect you may decline though.
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I blame a few things. Firstly, the amount of youth in the employ of news organizations, in both the reporting and editorial groups. Secondly, and this relates to my first point, proofreading these days consists of spell check by computer without benefit of hardcopy in hand.

In their defense, I have discovered spelling and grammar mistakes can get by even the best-intentioned proofreaders when viewing the written word on a screen. Transfer that text to physical form, and errors and typos seem to leap off the printed page.

Finally, with no defensible position whatsoever, the corporate takeover of media outlets has changed the primary focus from integrity to profit.

TWT: I was once accused by a professor of having a vested interest in the Comma Corporation LTD.

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Old 24th Nov 2017, 03:48
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Yes vapilot.

There are different opinions about correct punctuation and placement of commas.

Never seems to be any consensus as to what is correct either.

I won't be losing any sleep over it
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Old 24th Nov 2017, 05:50
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Definitions:-
Journalist - a failed author
Editor - a failed journalist
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Old 24th Nov 2017, 06:21
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Why isn’t anyone picking on Hot ‘n’ High’s misuse of the apostrophe in a rant about journalistic standards? Have you all become nice people?
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Old 24th Nov 2017, 07:19
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Bull at a gate: I have to confess I have been accused of being a member of the Apostrophe Gestapo!
What currently irks me with journalists, both in written and spoken media, is the slow corruption of the English language. A prime example is the use of the term "Big Pharma". I presume this is because they are too idle to use "Pharmaceutical" or "Pharmacological". The same goes for "Telecomms". This term is used nowadays to talk about internet communications. When I was a young man, I studied C&G "Telecommunications, Radio and Line". To the average journo, the Radio portion just doesn't exist.
Finally, with respect to the spoken media, the efforts to comply with pronunciation rules/guidelines results in reporters talking about "Erlympics" and "Accepted" has become "Excepted".
TWT: A space is required following the comma. Eg: "punctuate,use spaces" needs a space before "use".
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