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Old 16th Sep 2017, 19:26
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
Well, they have apprehended one teenager.

How likely is it that he was acting alone?
You can never know for sure (at least until the court case) but I suspect a fair chance he was. Numerous folks on here have detailed how they used to make things go bang in their teenage years, and that was without a million and one 'how to' guides on t'internet.

Technology has a lot to answer for!
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Old 16th Sep 2017, 19:29
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
Numerous folks on here have detailed how they used to make things go bang in their teenage years, and that was without a million and one 'how to' guides on t'internet.
Most of those on here wouldn't choose to detonate their experiment on a crowded train.
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Old 16th Sep 2017, 19:58
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I did detail how certain aspects of the security services worked... but thought better of it and deleted the post, so if you read it, don't quote it please

Suffice to say these people are scum, and if I had my way PC would be out the door and we'd have some sort of real action that would protect our innocent men, women and children, not the bollocks of so called COBRA meetings... toothless is too good a word.
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Old 16th Sep 2017, 20:26
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
Most of those on here wouldn't choose to detonate their experiment on a crowded train.
Indeed. My point however was that it doesn't require a network of terrorists to facilitate such a thing. That in itself is actually more worrying, as it only takes one kid falling for the rubbish on the web who knows very basic chemistry to cause a catastrophe. It's potentially a step on from the lone wolf concept, and incredibly easy for the security services to miss.

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Suffice to say these people are scum, and if I had my way PC would be out the door and we'd have some sort of real action that would protect our innocent men, women and children, not the bollocks of so called COBRA meetings... toothless is too good a word.
Don't be shy - what should the authorities be doing? Bear in mind that any solution that increases the the numbers of potential bad guys is counterproductive at best.
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Old 16th Sep 2017, 21:35
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Don't be shy - what should the authorities be doing?
I take my lead from Tarique Ghaffur formerly Anti-Terrorist Commander 7/7, Assistant Commissioner and a Muslim...

taking up to 3,000 extremists off the streets would keep stop attacks and allow detainees to undergo de-radicalisation programmes. “I know many will oppose these centres as oppressive. But the threat we face from terrorism is unprecedented and if we do not take bold steps now we will not be able to prevent future attacks.”
Sometime ago I spent a couple of years flying the 737 in an Islamic country, the people I worked with, met, socialised with were mostly Muslim and a finer bunch of people as you could hope to meet... the scrapes we got in and out of makes me laugh out loud today, we were "Cowboys" in a cowboy country... I'd genuinely trust them with my life. There were a few colleagues of the stricter variety... but other than frowning at me and seeming humourless I had no problems, however even their colleagues generally avoided them...

I'm making a distinction here..
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Some media are reporting that the house that was raided by security forces housed 'refugees'.
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Old 16th Sep 2017, 23:22
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I take my lead from Tarique Ghaffur formerly Anti-Terrorist Commander 7/7, Assistant Commissioner and a Muslim...

Sometime ago I spent a couple of years flying the 737 in an Islamic country, the people I worked with, met, socialised with were mostly Muslim and a finer bunch of people as you could hope to meet... the scrapes we got in and out of makes me laugh out loud today, we were "Cowboys" in a cowboy country... I'd genuinely trust them with my life. There were a few colleagues of the stricter variety... but other than frowning at me and seeming humourless I had no problems, however even their colleagues generally avoided them...

I'm making a distinction here..
Yes, to probably a lesser extent, my experience too.
Those Saudi Wahabis have a lot to answer for.

Personal experiences:
"I only drink Champagne!"
Having a beer with an Iraqi and an Iranian mil pilot who, had they met in 'The War', the Herc pilot would not have been drinking with us.
Saudis streaming across the causeway to Bahrain on Thursday evening - and it wasn't for the cous-cous!
etc, etc
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 00:26
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Some media are reporting that the house that was raided by security forces housed 'refugees'.
meaningless without details of a linkage in both directions
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 01:07
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Foster carers house supposedly, elderly couple who only wanted to help people.

Mr and Mrs Jones were appointed MBEs for services to children and families.

UK police raid property in London train bomb investigation
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 04:23
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UK can your cousins across the pond make a comment here, this is your country.
Why after all these so called fanatic attacks don't your so called good Muslims speak out and say we wont have this here and stop it?
Its known what they are doing, are you under racial profiling also laws?
We have the same issues in USA.
Unless the so called good Muslims that are allowed there speak out against the bad ones severely this will continue to happen in both our countries.
So end result makes all Muslims bad ones, paint all with same brush?
They have painted there self already!
Its like they endorse this.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 06:15
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2Bad2Sad: Read these:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-london-attack
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/m...-a3597531.html
https://muslimscondemn.com/
Muslim Leaders condemn terror attacks saying 'not in my name' - Grimsby Telegraph
100 muslim leaders gather on London Bridge to condemn attacks | Metro News
Will that do you?
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 06:26
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There's one thing puzzling me. There's a package on the floor by the door of an underground train which was placed there by a passenger who got off the train without it. Other passengers are standing close to it. Why did no-one raise the alarm? Why did people not move away from the package, especially since this was a "walk-through" train? Did nobody notice? Were they all too absorbed in their personal electronic devices? Surely everyone knows that bags or packages left unattended must be treated with the utmost suspicion, don't they?
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 07:07
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Kelvin,

I think those like us on the left need to reassess our attitudes towards Islam. To me part of being "left" involves embracing the principal that people should be allowed to do whatever they wish just as long as that doesn't involve harm to others. That includes people of the same sex indulging in conjugal nastiness with one another, getting pissed, ( Even though I disapprove in extremis) and believing in any fairy story they wish, or preferably none.

It is the Islamic insistence that everyone thinks as they do that bothers me. The authorities, understandably wishing to keep a lid on things, wheel out the "Good Muslim" at every possible opportunity. We must understand that for every one of these there are a dozen who wish to kill us. It's very sad because I would love to extend help and friendship to those oppressed people but if they are Islamic it is just too dangerous an act to contemplate.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 07:33
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As, no doubt it has been raised before, Islam followers (as have Christians and many others in the past) believe that Allah is the one true god and that all non believers are infidels. Therefore, it is quite justifiable in their doctrine to punish non muslims in any way they see fit.

Always puzzles me however, that anyone with such a strong religious conviction would relocate to a country whose religious and moral codes are so diametrically opposed to their own and then expect that nation to convert.

I guess we did the same in the days of the missionaries?
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 07:43
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They've been at it for 1,400 years as has already been pointed out at #47.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 08:45
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2bad2sad, the Glasgow airport attacker was a doctor working in the NHS. Presumably he was a good Muslim until he crossed the road.

Wingswinger, a large package like that would have been awkward in the aisle. I suspect that leaving large awkward items such as large cases is more usual than you would imagine. Then other passengers lose sight of the person and some get out, some get on. The package is ignored.

Once at an airport we ignored an isolated bag as we didn't want our flight disrupted for a false alarm and I was more concerned getting our party of 5 away from it. A young man had dropped his rucksack and rushed into WHSmiths; only saw this as he reclaimed it. This was during IRA period.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 08:51
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Always puzzles me however, that anyone with such a strong religious conviction would relocate to a country whose religious and moral codes are so diametrically opposed to their own and then expect that nation to convert.
Contrast the welfare, benefits, housing, healthcare and education systems in the countries they come from, compared to what they get in Western Europe and you have your answer. They then systematically conspire to destroy what they sought in the first place, with the assistance of the useful idiots on the left!

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Old 17th Sep 2017, 09:13
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Originally Posted by Wingswinger View Post
There's one thing puzzling me. There's a package on the floor by the door of an underground train which was placed there by a passenger who got off the train without it. Other passengers are standing close to it. Why did no-one raise the alarm? Why did people not move away from the package, especially since this was a "walk-through" train? Did nobody notice? Were they all too absorbed in their personal electronic devices? Surely everyone knows that bags or packages left unattended must be treated with the utmost suspicion, don't they?
Firstly, had the package exploded as intended, everyone in the carriage would have been injured or killed - no point in moving away a few feet - even if there had been room to move - my son only survived the 7/7/2005 Kings Cross bomb because he was in the next carriage.
Secondly, it is the fear of unattended packages that is part of the terrorism.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 09:26
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We must understand that for every one of these there are a dozen who wish to kill us
Have you got evidence of that? My own experience with muslims is quite the opposite.

They then systematically conspire to destroy what they sought in the first place, with the assitance of the useful idiots on the left!
Again, my personal experience is of people who just want to bring up their families in a safe and clean environment. From what I can gather, most of the terrorists who have created carnage across Europe and UK were 'home grown' and were radicalized from external sources. The ones who escaped persecution or just migrated for a better life are not the ones causing the problem.

Having said that, allowing places of worship to be built in this day and age mystifies me. Whether it be a mosque, synagogue or cathedral.

Christians moved out across the globe and built churches everywhere (almost, anyway). Did they conspire to systematically destroy every society they moved in to?

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Old 17th Sep 2017, 09:29
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As someone posted. The cheering in the Middle East and in some communities in the west on 911. Proves the point that a large proportion feel that killing nearly 3000 people is justified. ( in context about the same as pearl harbour) somehow Islam needs to sort this mind set before much progress can be made. For those that are religious it is as if the devil has got between them.
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