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Old 12th Sep 2017, 22:49
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An sang su chi

Aung San Suu Kyi

With the ethnic cleansing apparently going unchecked on the Burmese/Bangla border, I'm surprised not to find a thread here about a woman for whom I had great respect.

The fact she has not spoken to the world's media raises important questions about her position.

I don't know what it is, but the thought has crossed my mind that she did a deal with the ruling military in order to attain her goal. It troubles me that many people invested at least emotional empathy with her during house arrest in the hope that one day she would lead her country to higher moral ground.

Does anyone have better insight into this issue?

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Old 13th Sep 2017, 00:06
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Everybody has to have somebody to hate. Apparently, for Buddhist Burmese, it is Muslim Rohingya.

She's not going to turn her back on her "tribe" to lend support, credence or love for the "outs". This is base politics as played outside the PC Western world.

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Heard a comment that may or may not be true, that it's an attempt by the military to force her to adopt an unpopular position, i.e. protecting the Rohinga, to bolster their popularity.
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Kind of ironic that a winner of the Nobel Peace Prize may now be the acting head of a government conducting ethnic cleansing...

Proof that absolute power corrupts absolutely, perhaps???

I'd grab that gong back for starters.
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Kind of ironic that a winner of the Nobel Peace Prize may now be the acting head of a government conducting ethnic cleansing...

Proof that absolute power corrupts absolutely, perhaps???

I'd grab that gong back for starters.

Birds of a feather.....

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Sitigeltfel I think you must be overjoyed that thank goodness the USA now has a peace loving, non confrontational President who is reducing the armed forces, reducing funding for nuclear weapons, and isn't sending troops back into Afghanistan and Iraq. Nor is he proposing forced repatriation for illegal immigrants, looking to produce a register of a religious group plus turning a blind eye to hate rallies.

Oh well, perhaps I got that wrong........................
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She was described on the news this morning as the “de-facto” leader of Burma, which suggests to me that her position is not entirely secure. I recall that the deal which legitimised her party also allowed the military to retain significant political power. I wonder whether she actually has any effective control over them?
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The hand wringing and gnashing of teeth amongst the 'Luvvies' who very recently elevated her to Sainthood must be terrible to watch!
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 10:39
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
She was described on the news this morning as the “de-facto” leader of Burma, which suggests to me that her position is not entirely secure. I recall that the deal which legitimised her party also allowed the military to retain significant political power. I wonder whether she actually has any effective control over them?
The military wrote the constitution and reserved a % of seats in the new parliament (25%?) for themselves whilst banning anyone who had been married to a foreigner from becoming president (An Sang who was married to a British academic). Her party won every seat they contested and have a majority in parliament but she isn't allowed to be president but one of her party became president although she effectively holds that position in every respect.

I have been very disappointed by her reaction to the crisis and whilst I can see that the military hold the upper hand in terms of the operation, she hasn't even hinted that she doesn't support it. There are ways to convey messages which she could use to tell the world that her hands are tied but nothing like that is coming out of Myanmar officially or unofficially.
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Originally Posted by CloudHound View Post
Does anyone have better insight into this issue?
On our visit to Burma last year shortly after she took over we found ourselves having lots of expectation-management conversations with locals, but they did understand really that The Lady probably wasn't going to be able to fix absolutely everything absolutely immediately.

We went to several areas that the FCO advised against visiting and didn't see any trouble, although it was fairly clear that the military wouldn't have let us near any refugee camps.

We didn't try to meet The Lady ourselves, despite knowing her English family, 'cos we reckoned she was probably a bit busy.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 12:39
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There are ways to convey messages which she could use to tell the world that her hands are tied...
If you wish to understand her position on the Rohinga, look up her interview with the BBC's Mishal Husain.

After being repeatedly asked to condemn anti-Islamic sentiment and attacks upon Muslims in Myanmar, she declined. All she would say was "I think there are many, many Buddhists who have also left the country for various reasons. This is a result of our sufferings under a dictatorial regime", so obviously, she is unafraid of criticizing the Military.

At the end of the interview as she turned and left she was overheard to complain to her aide "No-one told me I was going to be interviewed by a Muslim!"
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
She was described on the news this morning as the “de-facto” leader of Burma, which suggests to me that her position is not entirely secure. I recall that the deal which legitimised her party also allowed the military to retain significant political power. I wonder whether she actually has any effective control over them?
Power involves more than getting good press, no matter the country. The people who she opposed for all those years still know how to use and accrue power.
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The hand wringing and gnashing of teeth amongst the 'Luvvies' who very recently elevated her to Sainthood must be terrible to watch!
It's a joy to behold.
At the end of the interview as she turned and left she was overheard to complain to her aide "No-one told me I was going to be interviewed by a Muslim!"
Now that's funny, if true.


@Gertrude: thanks for sharing the personal experience. Goodonya.
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At the end of the interview as she turned and left she was overheard to complain to her aide "No-one told me I was going to be interviewed by a Muslim!"
If true, proves my point, too. All being about embracing diversity is PC-bovine fecal matter and a contruct of people living in security in rich countries.

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And the Rohingya militants are offering to stop attacking police posts and army camps for a few days. Now that's big hearted!
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There are ways to convey messages which she could use to tell the world that her hands are tied
... like her silence?
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 12:24
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OK, Rose, who really wants someone to point out the elephant in the room? I think there are elephants in Burma already.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 12:44
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Cloudhoud (or a moderator) - could you please change the thread title to the correct spelling - Aung San Suu Kyi please?
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 17:33
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I've tried to amend as requested to no avail. Hopefully Mods will oblige. Apologies for getting her name wrong.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 22:12
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I'm astonished people still think that high political office carries the power to control events on any large or even medium scale. It doesn't. Mandela, Trump and this neo liberal mouthpiece. How many more examples do you need?
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