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Old 29th Aug 2017, 11:21
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Many years ago, I worked in retail management and a Muslim colleague did not want to get trained on the tills because they were uncomfortable handling bacon/alcohol. I told him to go home and not to bother coming back.
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 11:31
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Originally Posted by Hempy View Post
The permanently outraged triggered again
Iím not permanently outraged, as you put it, but I do think itís pretty outrageous for one person to expect that everyone else should have to suffer inconvenience or modify their behaviour just to satisfy that individuals questionable religious requirements.

Itís hardly a secret that supermarkets sell alcohol, so perhaps the individual concerned should have considered that if he really felt unable to handle it then it wasnít an appropriate job for him.

What next? Will he refuse to serve women who he considers to be improperly dressed?
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 11:40
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Originally Posted by A320ECAM View Post
There is quite a lot of misunderstanding about this so I will clear this up once and for all.

UK Law dictates that anybody working at a point of sale service under the age of 18 years cannot legally sell alcohol unless authorised by an employee who is older than 18 years.

So the fact that this cashier is not allowed to sell alcohol because of his age is a load of dog. If he is 17 years old, another cashier (or colleague on the shopfloor) would be allowed to authorise the sale with a quick thumbs up or "yes that's allowed".

This law is to a) protect the minor from selling alcohol to underage shoppers and b) protect the company from the minor selling alcohol to his/her underage friends.
A more erudite, in parts, statement that agrees with my own.

However, there are times when I've experienced a very long wait for an under age checkout person to be authorised. At one supermarket I used to use it was pretty commonplace for most of the checkout staff to be part-time, under-18's on a Saturday morning. There was usually only one supervisor trying to look after a dozen checkouts, and apart from authorising the sale of alcohol (which seemed to include having to use some sort of electronic tag, physically touched to the till) that same supervisor also had to deal with the inevitable scanning errors etc that came up (and I suspect there may have been more of those as a consequence of the relative inexperience of the young checkout staff).

As a consequence, I would try to select a checkout that looked if it was operated by someone over 18, even if the queue was a bit longer, because that was frequently a lot less hassle than waiting at another till for authorisation.

As an aside, has anyone ever spotted a supermarket checkout sign saying that pork, or pork products, won't be handled at that till? Many more people have a religious prohibition against touching or consuming pig products than practically anything else.
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 12:44
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Or, take another example. You are queueing at the tills, and haven't bought alcoholic drink. Your shopping is scanned and the till operator refuses to pick up the bottle of shampoo, or can of deodorant, or any one of a dozen or more other items you may have bought, on the grounds that they contain alcohol, a substance that is not forbidden to handle, or even use externally, by any religion I'm aware of, but which this one person has extremist views about. That is also discrimination, as you would be forced to repack everything back into a trolley. wait whilst the transactions were backed out, then go back and queue at another checkout.
I wouldn't, I would leave it all there, walk out and go to another shop. Let them sort it all out
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 13:07
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As fior the great chicken debate it is no use saying experts say it is safe as experts don't count on anything Brexitish -as a country we have had enough of them, up there along with 350M a week for the NHS and Farages racist advert.

My local coop has a Muslim girl on check out-very modestly dressed -no face covering but everything else. As she is still there in spite of having a whole line of construction site workers come in and refer to her as darling, love, princess etc etc, for she has very pretty eyes and a nice smile I assume she doesnt mind and she certainly sells a lot of alcohol to the east european contingent on the site as they stock up for a relaxing evening.


The problem here as it always is , is extremism

Who really causes the problems in israel

Who is behind the Ultra right in USA

who were the problem during the 'troubles'

Its not the religion itself it is extremism.

Working in a supermarket but cannot sell alcohol-thats just plain daft and certainly a case for well sorry but you have to leave .
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 13:33
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It's the potential extremism issue that concerns me. There would seem to be two main reasons why a Muslim might refuse to handle a container that has alcohol in it. The first is that they are poorly educated with regard to the true strictures in the Qur'an, the second is that they hold extreme views that are outwith the mainstream beliefs of Islam.

The first is just an understandable error, the second is more worrying. If someone is misinterpreting one one aspect of Islam, who's to say that they are either misinterpreting other aspects, or even under the influence of someone with extremist views?
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 21:00
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Let's take it to the final stages. .. working in a pub. Three pints And a packet of pork scratchings please
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 05:02
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In this area there's a regional supermarket chain that is owned by Mormons. I have no problem with that at all, but for quite some time they would not sell alcohol. Then they saw the market share being eroded by competitors (in this state, supermarkets can only sell beer and wine, and only after noon on Sunday, another issue in itself) and guess what they do now? I haven't seen any Mormons or Baptists protest, and of course the Catholics and Lutherans won't. BFD
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 05:44
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I have Muslim friends who abstain from alcohol and pork.
But when they held a barbecue recently they served wine and beer for the guests. There were also pork sausages for those that wanted them.

My understanding is that a person following the Islamic faith is not permitted to consume alcohol, pork or any other substances proscribed in the Holy Koran. These substances being regarded as "Haram" (unclean).

There is however no proscription of a Moslem serving such goods to any non-Moslem. That said, serving any such goods to a fellow Moslem is absolutely proscribed in the Holy Koran and is regarded as a terrible sin.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 06:25
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Unfortunately the same can't be said for veggies. When they come to our house they expect us to provide them with veggie food in adition to the meat-based dish we have made for the others. When we go to their house it is veggie or nothing for us.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 09:09
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I do not drink alcohol, and if visiting someone for dinner take along a cool box of my favourite tipples as invariably they have nothing on offer except mineral water or fizzy, sugary drinks.
This is despite them knowing my preferences. I just get on with it.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 09:43
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I do not drink alcohol ...
But I hope that you would serve others that do if you worked at a check-out till?
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 11:40
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
But I hope that you would serve others that do if you worked at a check-out till?
I can guarantee that I will never be caught behind any till!

I also have no problems serving alcohol, except when guests become belligerent or "over emotional". We hosted a dinner last night and the other five managed to demolish two bottles of champagne and four bottles of wine. My tipple was Kronenbourg Malt sans alcool which has fooled many a visitor with its taste. Gone are the days of alcohol free beer that had the flavour of backwash water from the pool filter!

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Old 30th Aug 2017, 13:53
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Yes, there is a vegetarian option - You can eff off! - Frankie Boyle.
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Old 31st Aug 2017, 08:19
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The option with 'what to feed vegetarians' that I read years ago was:
"Feed them pork sausages, lamb stew and beef cottage pie, because they keep on telling you how that Quorn stuff that they eat 'tastes just like the real thing' that they won't know that what you are serving them is actually the real thing"!

It wasn?t worth it, says 103-year-old vegetarian
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Old 31st Aug 2017, 09:59
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The difficulty of serving vegitarians is that some eat eggs, and some don't. Some vegitarians eat fish, some don't. Some consume cheese and/or milk, some don't. So persnickety. I do know the difference between lacto and ovo-tarianism(s). But puleeze...refusing to eat a salad because it is flavored with a dash of
Worcestershire Sauce, which may contain a trace of anchovie paste. Really? Just go home.
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Old 31st Aug 2017, 11:09
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And many of them do it for spurious reasons. For example "I don't like to think that an animal has died so that I can eat". Well WTF are you eating dairy products for then? Heard one Vegan loudly proclaiming her religion the other day - wearing leather shoes. Poxy hypocrites, the lot of them. Never heard them ask for vegetarian wine or beer - most of it is "cleared" with finings, often isinglass - a produce of dead fish.
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Old 31st Aug 2017, 11:46
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Originally Posted by UniFoxOs View Post
And many of them do it for spurious reasons. For example "I don't like to think that an animal has died so that I can eat". Well WTF are you eating dairy products for then? Heard one Vegan loudly proclaiming her religion the other day - wearing leather shoes. Poxy hypocrites, the lot of them. Never heard them ask for vegetarian wine or beer - most of it is "cleared" with finings, often isinglass - a produce of dead fish.
I remember deliberately provoking my vegetarian MiL years ago with a similar argument. She was adamant about not killing animals for food, so I asked if the leather in her Birkenstock sandals was certified as coming from cows that had died a natural death. It didn't go down very well..............
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