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Old 30th Aug 2017, 08:10
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Just to clarify, it is legal to cross solid white lines to overtake cyclists and other slow moving vehicles PROVIDED that
1. It is safe to do so.
2. The slow vehicles are travelling at 10mph or less.

From the Highway Code:

"129
Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26"
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 08:14
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Clearly there are cyclists and cyclists. I did a lot in my younger years including a trip along the Western Front and then the D Day beaches followed by an extensive tour of Calvados.

The new breed of London cyclists are typified by this lad, and it is their type and their disregard of virtually all the rules of the road that gets peoples backs up. Having said that, having considered all aspects of the case I would put the contributary negligence at 50/50.

Like a previous poster I won't lose sleep if he does porridge, but I do think it's inappropriate in view of the shared negligence.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 08:17
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Originally Posted by Blues&twos View Post
Just to clarify, it is legal to cross solid white lines to overtake cyclists and other slow moving vehicles PROVIDED that
1. It is safe to do so.
2. The slow vehicles are travelling at 10mph or less.

From the Highway Code:

"129
Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26"
Good word PROVIDED.....but in this case, ( a ) the cyclists were doing about 20mph, well I was, keeping up behind them and ( b ) on the A6 madam was intent on overtaking myself and the cyclists. The fact as I said, that you cannot see around the curve in Duffield may also have a bearing on my less than flattering opinion of her driving and situational awareness ( nil ) skills.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 08:50
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My daily commute includes a road between two villages which is basically an elongated S bend about half a mile long, standard road width with pavements and hedges both sides. This renders both bends blind unless you are in a tractor, coach or similar very high driving position. There isn't a single day that I don't meet or see from behind some berk in a car attempting to pass a cyclist on one if the two bends. People just will not wait and are prepared to take stupid risks for no ultimate time gain (see also pulling out of side roads into oncoming traffic, silly overtakes, roundabouts, etc etc).
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 11:18
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Originally Posted by Blues&twos View Post
Just to clarify, it is legal to cross solid white lines to overtake cyclists and other slow moving vehicles PROVIDED that
1. It is safe to do so.
2. The slow vehicles are travelling at 10mph or less.
I was wondering, the other day, whilst cycling at around 12mph whether I should slow down to 9.9mph so as to allow anyone behind to overtake over a double white line. But in fact nobody turned up behind wanting to overtake so it wasn't a problem.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 11:31
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Hi KnC, yes, I wasn't trying to suggest your errant motorist was blameless, apologies if it came over like that.
Interestingly, the Highway Code rule specifies bikes, horses and road maintenance vehicles only and doesn't say 'for example'. Nothing else. So, if you overtake an electric wheelchair, you might (technically) be breaking the law! Maybe the actual road traffic regulations quoted are a bit more sensible if you read them through.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 11:45
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Originally Posted by Blues&twos View Post
Hi KnC, yes, I wasn't trying to suggest your errant motorist was blameless, apologies if it came over like that.
Interestingly, the Highway Code rule specifies bikes, horses and road maintenance vehicles only and doesn't say 'for example'. Nothing else. So, if you overtake an electric wheelchair, you might (technically) be breaking the law! Maybe the actual road traffic regulations quoted are a bit more sensible if you read them through.
That's ok Blues and Twos. I was aware of the fact you were offering factual comment, which is always nice, and rare, here on JB.

To be honest, what I really dread is being in front of your name and finding somewhere to allow whatever form of emergency service is involved, however competent the driver is, the opportunity to get past. It ain't the best road in this respect and that's putting it mildly.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 11:54
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
I was wondering, the other day, whilst cycling at around 12mph whether I should slow down to 9.9mph so as to allow anyone behind to overtake over a double white line. But in fact nobody turned up behind wanting to overtake so it wasn't a problem.

This stipulation of the bicycle not travelling faster than 10mph for overtaking which entails crossing a solid white line not only seems a bit arbitrary and silly, but effectively unenforceable, too.

Earlier in this thread it was pointed out that bicycles are not required to comply with speed limits, as they are not required to be equipped with speedometers, and a car overtaking a bicycle has no way of knowing whether it is doing 8mph or 12mph, as to be safe the overtaking manoeuvre needs to start well behind the cycle and be sufficiently brisk to minimise the exposure to danger.

One sometimes wonders who dreams up these rules that are so wholly impractical to enforce.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 12:29
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KnC, my opinion re: getting past on twisty roads was that so long as the car in front of us kept moving, we were still making progress.
If I have blues behind me and there's nowhere sensible to get out of the way, I just keep going at a safe speed until there is.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 13:14
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There are now, thanks to technology, websites for example where they can congregate with kindred spirits.
Now you mention it, I recently remarked to S2 that a group with whom I largely disagree seem to be full of confidence in their misguided views. He replied that they probably only ever read online comment which reinforces their existing opinions so I do agree with you.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 20:42
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Originally Posted by Blues&twos View Post
If I have blues behind me and there's nowhere sensible to get out of the way, I just keep going at a safe speed until there is.
My thoughts entirely but how many times you see people slow and possibly pull in but still obstruct the road.

Or they do go ahead and cross a stop sign or red light.

I think what is more important is to drive sensibly and predictably.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 20:53
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One of the important things when being followed by 'blues and twos' is to make it obvious that you have noticed the emergency vehicle and will permit the emergency vehicle to overtake when necessary.
The worst for a blues and twos driver is when the vehicle in front is oblivious of the emergency vehicle (and may behave unpredictably).
Same for oncoming emergency vehicles.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 21:12
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I came up behind a driver on a narrow country lane once with blues only, gave a quick attention grabber on the horns and they responded by standing on the brakes. Came to a complete stop...about 20 feet from a layby. Bit of a surprise, that was.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 22:07
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Only on JB could the "all cyclists should be banned ! " theme be so consistently perpetuated by the intolerance of those who are so self absorbed when it comes to road usage. But, as we know, as with the Brexit thread which contains some of the hitherto unknown top economists in the world, JB also contains some of the worlds best car drivers.....in their own minds that is.

Some of us learnt a lot about roads and road safety by virtue of cycling being the common form of transport, ahem " some time ago". Some, seemingly, never had to use this form of transport cycling presumably being beneath them...... and their ego's.

I use a very well known, to both cyclists and bikers, road every weekend.

It's also populated by owners of expensive cars.....these cause me far more concern than any slight delay, there aren't that many places to pass safely as the road has numerous bends, turns and undulates extensively, incurred by encountering cyclists be they solo or in a group.

The recent BH was, as we know, remarkably warm and thus it was only be expected people would be out enjoying themselves. Thus, in anticipation of such, erm, I left a few minutes earlier to ensure I still got to my destination on time.....dead simple really, but there again, so am I.

Monday morning, about 08.30, roads relatively quiet and get to Allestree on the A6,..it's a 30pmph limit, rising to 50mph and then back to 40mph at Duffield. Encounter a group of four cyclists in the 30 zone...no problem as this is the A6 and you can pass safely....enter....."madam"...the car, had as they say, " seen better days", and the "somewhat dishevelled appearance " of the driver, say late 50's, suggested an empathy with her vehicle.

The double white lines were of no relevance either, as she happily straddled them in her intent to pass myself and the cyclists....alas, despite her intent and close proximity to my rear end, she was thwarted by some bollards but when it was possible to overtake the cyclists....no deviation from her as she passed them.

She saved her expertise however until we turned onto the road in question at Duffield....it's a 40mph limit and curves up a hill....you can't see oncoming traffic on the curve. It's also a built up area...another inconsequential detail of no real significance,

Lo and behold, another group of cyclists...who would have thunk it possible !.....at which point, madam decides to, erm, overtake....thankfully, her immaculate timing and consummate driving skills ensured she missed the oncoming three cars by at least 10 secs.
Why madam K&C? Why not simply driver? A bit mysoginistic don't you think? Why disheveled? Rather patronising and dismissive don't you think?

Careful you don't let your holier-than-thou right-on liberal mask slip too far.

My bold in your quote only for clarity. Hope you don't mind.
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Old 31st Aug 2017, 00:33
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Clearly there are cyclists and cyclists.
Yes. I'm a former amateur road racer and bike club president. I always tried to be considerate of other users of the roadway, out of self-interest as much as wanting to do the right thing. I hang my head when I see cyclists behaving like... joggers.
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Old 31st Aug 2017, 12:46
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I hang my head when I see cyclists behaving like... joggers.
Given that most MAMILS are using their bicycles solely for exercise purposes - i.e. they are not going anywhere in particular - most of them really are just jogger substitutes
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Old 31st Aug 2017, 13:50
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I chose cycling rather than running as it is kinder on the knees.
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Old 31st Aug 2017, 14:42
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
I chose cycling rather than running as it is kinder on the knees.
Me too! I tried jogging, at my GPs suggestion, and was fine for a time, but coming back home, on a long downhill stretch, did my knees in so badly I could barely walk for a week afterwards. One the bike I don't seem to get any aches and pains, although I've had to switch to a hybrid, with straight bars, as my neck isn't up to riding with drop handlebars any more.
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Old 31st Aug 2017, 14:54
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Same for me, cartilage in knees hurts like hell if I walk more than about 5 miles particularly with steep down hills (bit of a bugger around these parts!), running is out of the question.

Cycling is absolutely no problem and, apart from riding to work, I try to do at least 15 miles or so at least twice a week between about mid-Feb to end October, usually the long way home from work. Winter months I try to get out for a bit weekends if it's dry!

Hoping to get a referral over the winter for a "clean and polish" as I suspect the left knee has a tear - already had some work done to it about 10 years ago.

Got a bit of the neck problem too!
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Old 31st Aug 2017, 16:47
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Why madam K&C? Why not simply driver? A bit mysoginistic don't you think? Why disheveled? Rather patronising and dismissive don't you think?

Careful you don't let your holier-than-thou right-on liberal mask slip too far.

My bold in your quote only for clarity. Hope you don't mind


Not in the slightest. The epithet "fools and idiots" is not gender specific, indeed the male of the species is invariably more prominent in this respect. There are even some organisations where this is seen as being essential for career development.

As probably the least misogynistic poster on here, my account was more dry humour than you were able to grasp. Feel free however, to make the suggestion about misogyny on the "Pilots Jokes " thread.

Oh, and my spelling of the word is correct. Hope you don't mind this correction ?

But as we're on the subject of fitness, apart from the benefit of my voluntary work in keeping fit, I go to the leisure centre and use the rowing machine and then a cycling machine...the former negates my chances of drowning and the latter my chances of being clattered by some pillock ( of either gender ) in a car.
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