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Old 25th Aug 2017, 10:08
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Time Trials: It is illegal to conduct a time trial on the public highway, though I suppose bicycle nerds who are ignorant of the need for brakes would be equally ignorant of the rest of the laws governing use of the highways and byways.
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 10:24
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Originally Posted by Blacksheep View Post
Time Trials: It is illegal to conduct a time trial on the public highway, though I suppose bicycle nerds who are ignorant of the need for brakes would be equally ignorant of the rest of the laws governing use of the highways and byways.
This is definitely a law that seems to be breached with impunity. There is a circular cycle route (lanes designated as cycle routes) that forms a part of my daily commute. It consists of two, fairly narrow, country lanes, running either side of a river, with road bridges at either end. At a guess the round trip distance around this "circuit" is around 6 or 7 miles. It is very regularly used as an informal time trial route, as the lay-by where the guys start and stop, with their timekeeper, is right by a junction I drive past. When riding at speed, these guys tend to stay in the centre of the lane, even when there are blind bends and they haven't a hope of seeing oncoming traffic.

As far as I know nothing has ever been done to stop this road racing, as it's been going on for the past three years that I know of.

I wouldn't mind betting that if motorcyclists started using this route for time trials, the police would be down on them pretty quickly, Quite why a minority of cyclists are allowed to behave as they wish, apparently immune from police action, I don't know.
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 10:35
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Originally Posted by Martin the Martian View Post
My prejudice is against idiocy. In this case we are talking about idiocy on bicycles, and sadly there seems to be a lot of it around.
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Fair enough, I too am against idiocy. I'm 50 years old, the only time I have been hit by a car was about 40 years ago. There have been close calls since - normally when motorists simply don't look, but being a cyclist I am always acutely aware of that - and always assume the other road user will do the worst.

I go out cycling with mates at weekends - often 30 to 40 miles - it's a good social and a great way of keeping fit.

I do not condone the behaviour of some cyclists - but I have to say that where I live, I just don't see much of that. Of course there are some miserable old sods on PPRuNe who just spend their old age raging against the world.

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Old 25th Aug 2017, 10:41
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
This is definitely a law that seems to be breached with impunity. There is a circular cycle route (lanes designated as cycle routes) that forms a part of my daily commute. It consists of two, fairly narrow, country lanes, running either side of a river, with road bridges at either end. At a guess the round trip distance around this "circuit" is around 6 or 7 miles. It is very regularly used as an informal time trial route, as the lay-by where the guys start and stop, with their timekeeper, is right by a junction I drive past. When riding at speed, these guys tend to stay in the centre of the lane, even when there are blind bends and they haven't a hope of seeing oncoming traffic.

As far as I know nothing has ever been done to stop this road racing, as it's been going on for the past three years that I know of.

I wouldn't mind betting that if motorcyclists started using this route for time trials, the police would be down on them pretty quickly, Quite why a minority of cyclists are allowed to behave as they wish, apparently immune from police action, I don't know.
You are right, you just, don't know very much!

You have read Blacksheep's post and taken it as gospel that cyclists are not allowed to hold time trials on roads.
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 10:51
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Originally Posted by salad-dodger View Post
You are right, you just, don't know very much!

You have read Blacksheep's post and taken it as gospel that cyclists are not allowed to hold time trials on roads.
I've just read the law (specifically the Cycle Racing on Highways Regulations). From a quick read of that, it seems very clear that the informal time trials that are run most weeks on the stretch of road I referred to are not being conducted in accordance with the law.

From that I would say that Blacksheep is right in this case.

I do know that this same stretch of road is used for legitimate cycle races a few times a year. When that happens advance notice is given of the date of the event, warning other road users about it. I've never driven that way on one of those dates, mainly because they are usually Sundays, and I don't go that way on that day, but from the high visibility signage I have seen for those events I have no reason to suspect that they are not run within the provisions of the above Act.

The neighbour across the road from me is a police officer. Next time I see him I'll ask if they are always notified about the regular time trials that take place around this valley. I strongly suspect, based on what I've seen, that these are being run unlawfully.
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 11:05
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You do that fella, who knows there could be an opportunity to stop people enjoying themselves and keeping fit - two for the price of one.

Don't forget to mention all of the other minor misdemeanours you have noted since he last failed to avoid having to talk to you.

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Old 25th Aug 2017, 11:19
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Originally Posted by salad-dodger View Post
You do that fella, who knows there could be an opportunity to stop people enjoying themselves and keeping fit - two for the price of one.

Don't forget to mention all of the other minor misdemeanours you have noted since he last avoided having to talk to you.

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Why do you deliberately choose to misinterpret posts all the time, and ignore what has actually been written? I've nothing at all against cycling, hell I cycle most days, and have done for decades.

What does worry me is the increase in the small number of idiots who ride recklessly, endangering both themselves and other road users. Running what seems to be weekly, unofficial, time trials around a stretch of road that is, along about 1/3rd of its length, a busy commuter route, at the same time as there is a lot of car, truck, bus and lorry traffic, with no marshals, no signs, and no other form of safety provision, does not seem to me to be a sensible thing to do. These events are run at around 18:00 on weekdays, right when there is a great deal of other road traffic on part of the route they use.

Thankfully, the vast majority of cyclists I know are sensible. Until a few years ago I used to go out on group rides with a local (non-competitive) club, usually on a Sunday, and where possible avoiding routes that would put us, or other road users, at risk, so there is no way I could be described as "anti-cyclist". I am definitely "anti-idiot", though, whether they be on foot, on a bike, riding a motorcycle or driving a vehicle.
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 11:26
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Originally Posted by Dutystude View Post
Despite what some 'cyclists' on here believe the purpose of the bell is to warn pedestrians of your approach. It was not intended as a substitute for 'getoutthef**kingway'.
Correct. I mostly use it when approaching pedestrians from behind on shared use paths, a single ding meaning "there's a bike coming up behind you, so as long as you don't suddenly lurch sideways without looking everyone will be happy" and a full ring meaning "OK kids, I don't in general mind you walking five abreast and not leaving a gap for anyone to get past, but it would be nice if you could make a gap just right now".
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 11:35
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I go out cycling with mates at weekends - often 30 to 40 miles - it's a good social and a great way of keeping fit.
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... I used to go out on group rides ...
Please guys, if you do so then just keep bloody quiet when you go through peaceful villages. I have nothing against people enjoying themselves and 'keeping fit', just do it in a way that isn't bloody irritating to others.

And those who are a danger to others, as the subject of this Thread, should face the full weight of the law. It would be nice if others learnt from that, but I am afraid that the "I'm entitled to" gits will never learn.
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 11:38
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Just to point out that it was reported at the end of the trial that it was found that the lady HADN'T been on her phone at the time - the suggestion that she was came from the cyclist (shall we just call him "[email protected]", it seems the general concensus), who said something along the lines of [when she was on the ground] "her phone kept going off with texts which shows she must have been on it at the time she crossed" - a statement apparently consistent with his general level of intelligence.

VP959, I think you are showing remarkable restraint. As you say, not anti-cyclist, merely anti-idiot

For the avoidance of doubt and to avoid any ill-thought out tirades, I am also a cyclist (or is that now a term of abuse on this thread?) Whatever: I ride a bike
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 11:38
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Vigorous exercise redefined ....

For me, when I am working on my fitness, that's leaving the bowl of cheese puffs on the coffee table, so that I have to stretch my arm out for them while watching the Tour de France.

When I am being lazy, not working on my fitness through "vigorous exercise," then I have the bowl next to me while I watch The Fishing Channel. But that is just me!

Bicycling ... no idea really. If someone wants to call that "vigorous exercise" who should I be, to call him some sort of prat?

We do go out on bike tours here in the flat North German countryside, but not as vigorous exercise as such.

I think it was Geronimo who said, upon seeing his first bicyclist, "White man heap lazy; sit down to walk!" (There was a lot of wisdom in that man, along with certain homicidal tendencies of course.)

My last encounter with a yob on a bike was in Boston, Massachusetts. I was joining a main road from a side road with a stop sign, driving a Toyota Land Crusher. I pulled up, stopped, looked right, looked left, and then turned right, when this idiot on a bike, riding against the flow of traffic, went flashing past from right to left, shouting curses and imprecations as he went. Stupid me, I never thought to expect someone riding in the wrong direction on a bicycle, out in the road at what must have been 20 mph, hidden from sight behind parked cars. My fault for having left my x-ray specs at home, I suppose?

If he'd hit me he would have really made a mess of my Land Crusher; there would have been blood, hair and teeth all over the right front fender, I suppose, after I had just washed and polished the car. That would have taught me to take more care, I suppose ....

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Old 25th Aug 2017, 12:13
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An idiot is an idiot whether it's a pedestrian stepping out into the road without looking whilst checking their Facebook page, a cyclist riding at recklessly high speed on a combined foot and cycle path, a motorist sending text messages whilst driving along or someone on a mobility scooter thinking that people with their backs to them can somehow sense their presence and will magically jump out of their way.
I am lucky to live in a country where there is no motorist/cyclist/pedestrian animosity because almost everyone here does all three things. But the infrastructure here is geared (no pun intended) up for it and there is the space to accommodate everyone. Sadly, that isn't the case in Britain.
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 12:19
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A point I was making earlier about the chump who was riding a bike with no brakes in city traffic. As it happened, he hit a pedestrian but in general, those who are at most risk of death or serious injury are the people on the bicycles, not those in the cars, buses and trucks. I'd expect them to take more care than they do.
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 12:49
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While on the subject of cycling. Why do a large group of cyclists insist on riding two abreast and so close together that overtaking is akin to having to pass a 40' articulated lorry. Generally these people are on country roads making it impossible to overtake safely and their speed is generally around 15 - 20 mph.

Inconsiderate or what?
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 13:46
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On the north bank of the Thames just west of Shepperton there's a road popular with people enjoying the viewof the river. On a sunny day you'll see walkers, cyclists and drivers. Because it is narrow it is one-way only, with clear no-entry signs at the appropriate end. These signs apparently don't apply to cyclists.
On one occasion we were driving down this road when we came face to face with a large group of cyclists filling the narrow road. This wasn't any sort of trial - most of them were in ordinary leisure wear.
As we came face to face, the leaders of the group waved furiously and shouted at us to 'Pull over! Pull over!". Our host, being a bit of a softy, pulled as close to the kerb as he could. As the group filed past, we received some very angry glares from the cyclists who seemed to think we were in the wrong to be holding them up. .
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 14:20
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Originally Posted by M.Mouse View Post
While on the subject of cycling. Why do a large group of cyclists insist on riding two abreast and so close together that overtaking is akin to having to pass a 40' articulated lorry. Generally these people are on country roads making it impossible to overtake safely and their speed is generally around 15 - 20 mph.

Inconsiderate or what?
No, not really. When on a country road a single cyclist will hold you up pretty much the same as two abreast - assuming you give cyclists adequate room. Just think how long that group of cyclists would be if riding single file!

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Old 25th Aug 2017, 14:23
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Just back from a very pleasant 30 miles in the Cambridgeshire countryside - not a bad effort after 4 weeks away from the saddle, and the last 2 of those lounging by a hotel pool.

Managed a healthy average of just over 16mph. Broke a pb on one fairly long section too.

Set me up for a few beers and a ruby tonight!

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Old 25th Aug 2017, 14:28
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Originally Posted by M.Mouse View Post
While on the subject of cycling. Why do a large group of cyclists insist on riding two abreast and so close together that overtaking is akin to having to pass a 40' articulated lorry. Generally these people are on country roads making it impossible to overtake safely and their speed is generally around 15 - 20 mph.

Inconsiderate or what?
Actually, very considerate.


Unless you'd rather have a long line individuals to pass one at a time, getting stuck behind each one until you find space to overtake safely, creeping along for a mile or two at those speeds.

Riding 2 abreast is legal, safer and better for other motorists, but being part of the 4-wheeled master race means you don't notice or think about this.
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 14:43
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I agree, I'd rather see cyclists riding two abreast. They take up no more room riding like this than a small car, travel at about the speed of a tractor, and force motorists to use a bit of common sense and overtake properly, rather than try to pass too close.

When out cycling I tend to ride away from the extreme left hand side of the road, because of the potholes etc that are often in that area, and if I hear a car coming from behind I'll usually move out towards the centre of my side of the road a bit, really just to encourage the driver to give me a wide enough berth for safety when overtaking. Far too many drivers have no idea just how unpleasant it is, or how destabilising it can be in windy conditions, if they overtake inches away from a bike.
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 16:07
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Here's the Canal & River Trust's take on the used of shared spaces; i.e canal towpaths.

https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/about...r-towpath-code

Reading that, boaters/water users have priority of use, walkers next and cyclists are third. We normally have very little issue with cyclists on the towpath and most will stop and pass the time of day. It is only a small, selfish minority who give the rest a bad name.
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