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Old 4th Sep 2017, 13:20
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There's a few in Cambridge too. The local ones aren't ridden by plonkers AFAIK but there's no reason why others shouldn't be!
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Old 4th Sep 2017, 18:26
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Originally Posted by Blacksheep View Post
He is unusual in that he rides a "lying down" bicycle - he has to lie supine with his chin on his chest and his feet up at head height. It looks most uncomfortable.
They are actually very comfortable and my choice for longer distances. Mine is also the best load carrier of all my bikes too[*], could be a CoG thing. Only real problem is the buildup of flies in the big grin on any halfway decent downslope. Oh, and the infrequent wasp in the baggy shorts -- no need for tight-fitting lycra y'see.

Gertie mentioned seeing several in Cambridge: some years ago we could get up to a dozen for the Friday lunchtime ride to a pub, but I've been out of touch with the group for a while.

[*] Except the motorised interstellar cruise ship Honda VFR750 of course.

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Old 4th Sep 2017, 19:01
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I must admit I've heard that recumbents are a comfortable ride and the one local I know who has one swears by the thing. OTOH the idea of riding one of those in traffic has always frightened the **** out of me, even though where we are the car drivers are pretty bike savvy/bike aware.

BTW aerobelly what do they feel like climbing a decent gradient (say 10 % ish..)?? I have visions of it feeling as if you're about to slide out the back?
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Old 5th Sep 2017, 18:32
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
I must admit I've heard that recumbents are a comfortable ride and the one local I know who has one swears by the thing. OTOH the idea of riding one of those in traffic has always frightened the **** out of me, even though where we are the car drivers are pretty bike savvy/bike aware.
Mine has the pedals rather high compared to some, and stop-start riding is not easy, so I rarely do it. The open road is its forte (tempted to add "poop, poop!"). The most common non-rider's comment about difficulty of seeing the rider+bike is not a problem, it's different and so gets attention far more than a ratty MTB.

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BTW aerobelly what do they feel like climbing a decent gradient (say 10 % ish..)?? I have visions of it feeling as if you're about to slide out the back?
At my age I don't do 10% any longer, but when I could it never felt like that to me. The actual back-rest angle is about 30 degrees from horizontal and feels very similar to the 1970s Formula Three racing car I had. Too old for that too....

More upright versions are available for those who want the comfort but don't feel the need for speed.


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Old 18th Sep 2017, 16:05
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Charlie Alliston: Cyclist detained over pedestrian death - BBC News

18 months in a young offenders' institution
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 16:10
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= 9 months in a YOI, as if he doesn't do anything to upset anyone inside he will automatically be released after serving half his sentence.

I've no doubt his age came into it, but I can't help thinking that he deserved a harsher sentence than an effective 9 month one. The reported remarks by the judge would seem to have supported a longer sentence, I would have thought:

Sentencing at the Old Bailey, the judge said: "I am satisfied in some part it was this so-called thrill that motivated you to ride without a front brake shouting and swearing at pedestrians to get out of the way.

"I have no doubt you are wrong in this. You were an accident waiting to happen.

"The victim could have been any pedestrian. It was in fact Mrs Kim Briggs."
The limiting factor seems to be that the longest possible sentence was 2 years, under this ancient law, and presumably that was assumed to apply to an adult, rather than a juvenile. Might explain why he didn't get two years, although if he had he would probably only have served 1 year inside.

Compare and contrast the remarks of the judge with those made by Alliston's on social media after the accident:

"It's not my fault people either think they are invincible or have zero respect for cyclists."
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 17:28
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It's not the thing to speak ill of the dead, but I am sure the judge must have taken into account that this unfortunate lady contributed to her own downfall by stepping out into traffic without looking. I am wondering if there were a similar case, but one which resulted in the death of a cyclist (quite possible) , whether the pedestrian would be in court on a manslaughter charge. I somehow doubt it.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 17:35
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
It's not the thing to speak ill of the dead, but I am sure the judge must have taken into account that this unfortunate lady contributed to her own downfall by stepping out into traffic without looking. I am wondering if there were a similar case, but one which resulted in the death of a cyclist (quite possible) , whether the pedestrian would be in court on a manslaughter charge. I somehow doubt it.
From what has been reported, she stepped out without seeing the cyclist, apparently heard him swear at her to get out of the way from the other side of the junction, then stepped back towards the pavement.

Because Allison had no brakes, he chose to swerve towards the pavement to try and avoid hitting her. Her instinctive actions to correct her error by stepping back, to what should have been a safer area, caused Allison to collide with her.

It was entirely avoidable by Allison. Had Allison had brakes he would have had no need to swerve at speed towards the pavement, right where the victim was heading. He could have started to brake at the other side of the junction, where he swore at her to get out of his way, and continued braking right up to the point where he swore at her a second time, just before hitting her.

As I understand the law, cyclists should give way to pedestrians, something that Allison neither understood or believed in as a principle.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 18:13
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Not going to be popular I suspect but I see the contributary negligence as roughly 50/50, if as suggested she was looking at her phone. If she was not then I would have said 2:1 it's hard to get away from the fact that the cyclist was a pillock, but that should not affect sentencing.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 19:00
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My problem is with sentencing there surely has to be a difference between intent to kill and doing something stupid and reckless as a youngster and it going tragically wrong

What I mean by that is that prison should be predominantly to protect the public from a murderer, rapist criminal etc
secondary should be to show an example to others

I am sure most of us in our lives have done something reckless or stupid where we were lucky to get away with it does that warrant imprisonment
Nothing will bring that poor woman back but did this lad have any intent of injuring or killing someone ?
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 19:05
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... but did this lad have any intent of injuring or killing someone ?
This lad didn't care and that is the problem. While he doesn't care he is a threat to the public.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 19:08
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post

Because Allison had no brakes, he chose to swerve towards the pavement
Track bikes are braked by absorbing energy with the legs. The rider can lock up the rear wheel if he wishes. So technically you are correct, he had "no brakes", but he did have "the ability to brake". It's not that he couldn't have stopped, or slowed enough to avoid the collision, he didn't think it necessary and usually it isn't. You get used to going around obstacles, as often there is space for a bicycle to pass safely. Sometimes something unexpected happens- once a car ahead of me slowed and pulled to the curb. I thought he was parking, and began overtaking. As I did, he turned sharply in front of me, and I slid down the side of his car, tearing off his mirror. It turned out he lived there, and was making a wide turn into his driveway.
Many inexpensive bicycles in the US lack front brakes (don't know if that is the case in the UK) but it was incumbent on this guy to be more careful, not less, and his lack of empathy and remorse are deplorable. I don't have any sympathy for him.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 19:12
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Was she in a crosswalk?
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 20:50
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I don't get this 'Time off for 'good' behaviour.. If someone is awarded time in jail they should serve it. If they're not on their good behaviour then extend it until they learn how. They can rot there for all I care.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 21:33
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Not going to be popular I suspect but I see the contributary negligence as roughly 50/50, if as suggested she was looking at her phone. If she was not then I would have said 2:1 it's hard to get away from the fact that the cyclist was a pillock, but that should not affect sentencing.
She was NOT using her phone. That was alleged by the cyclist but not by any witness. Police established that her phone was not in use at the time.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 22:17
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He is 20 years old, IIRC he was 18 years old at the time of the incident. He is an adult so why is he going to a Young offenders institute?
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 22:29
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Originally Posted by Shack37 View Post
He is 20 years old, IIRC he was 18 years old at the time of the incident. He is an adult so why is he going to a Young offenders institute?
Perhaps because he was a 'juvenile' when he committed the offence?

No - Young Offender Institutions (YOIs) are prisons for 15-21 year olds.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 22:34
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I am confused, why ride a bike with no brakes anyway, have I missed something, would have thought that's a ******** act in the first place, unless u are competing in a velodrome or whatever but what advantage if only weight? Sure I am missing something
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 22:47
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Competition bicycles have 'fixed wheel' drive (no freewheel).
Riders can stand on the pedals and hold the cycle stationary - and this is favoured by the cycle couriers (of which this youth was one).
Of course there are no 'gears' - the drive is a fixed ratio (which can be changed by swapping the chainwheels).
Such cycles typically have no brakes as the rider controls the speed by the pedals.

Fixed-gear bicycle.

My father rode such a cycle (on the road) in the 1920s - as did many 'cycling clubs'.
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 10:25
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Many inexpensive bicycles in the US lack front brakes (don't know if that is the case in the UK)
In the UK, bikes must have two brakes to be street legal. The fixed gear is recognised as a rear brake, and fixed gear bikes are street legal if fitted with a front brake - but the front brake is rejected by "purist" fixies.


Not going to be popular I suspect but I see the contributary negligence as roughly 50/50, if as suggested she was looking at her phone.
As said above - but it needs repeating - SHE WAS NOT USING HER PHONE. This was a claim made by the cyclist to shift blame, and was disproven in the court case.

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