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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 08:30
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The HMS Nottingham incident was 15 years ago. And it wasn't quite Lord Howe Island. It found Wolf Rock. The 2 officers in charge at the time were sacked and the Captain who was just returning to the ship at the time of the strike received a reprimand.
Still, as I say, that was 15 years ago. Since then the RN have had incidents with 2 submarines; HMS Astute went aground a couple of years ago and HMS Ambush surfaced off Gibraltar right into a tanker and that one was a year ago.
4 serious incidents in the space of 1 year with the USN puts those incidents in the shade. So, a bit of an apples & oranges comparison.
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 10:27
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 11:04
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Adm. Scott Swift, commander of U.S. Pacific Fleet, today relieved the commander of Seventh Fleet, Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin, due to a loss of confidence in his ability to command.

Rear Adm. Phil Sawyer, who has already been nominated and confirmed for the position and promotion to Vice Adm., will assume command immediately.
This Sawyer bloke, the number two in the 7th fleet, seems to be a bit of a Teflon kiddie. Miraculously he seems to have been outside the chain of command that is responsible for these repeated multiple death cockups. He gets the boss's job as a reward for his own failures. Nice.
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 11:38
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Fleet commander has now been sacked.

USS John S. McCain: US Navy sacks Joseph Aucoin as fleet commander - BBC News
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 12:12
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Some one has to carry the Can....sadly there is far more folks who should be fired but will not get sent down the road!

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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 12:59
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Not suggesting for a moment that the following has any relationship to the facts of this incident.
Aged about 17, I was helming a small motor vessel northbound off Gourock when a liberty pinnace from a visiting US warship appeared off my port bow heading east, crossing left to right.
I considered that I had right of way and, since the give way vessel was also small and manoeuvreable, stood on - as did the pinnace When it was clear that the helmsman on the pinnace had no intention of going behind, I went hard a'starboard and averted the impending collision.

It occurred to me to go alongside the warship and speak to the OOW (did I mention that I was an arrogant little ****?) but I decided I'd just get some face-saving bull and carried on.

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Didn't seem to look out for Adm Aucoin very well. Dismissed only a few weeks before his appointment terminated? Perhaps 'as a terror to the others'.

p.s. Once sailed a small dinghy between the fin and hull of an RN nuke. The watchkeeper on the conning tower almost went ballistic himself
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 13:40
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A torpedo? tube is visibly damaged, presumably the torpedoes themselves are stowed below decks?

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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 13:42
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This day and time....there might not be any onboard at all.
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 13:44
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4 serious incidents in the space of 1 year with the USN puts those incidents in the shade. So, a bit of an apples & oranges comparison.
Account for far, far differing force size and ops tempo and your back to apples to apples. Somethings afoot with the USN, hopefully it'll be fixed. In he meantime, enjoy your view, you're only a few submerged rocks or one JO's decision from rejoining the club.
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 13:53
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He was due to retire in two weeks anyway.
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 14:00
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Westie,

Ease Up, Matey!

One third of the Royal Navy was deployed last year....that would mean about 25 Vessels of all types.

30% of the Fleet have deployed away from the UK which does not include those mine countermeasures and hydrographic and patrol vessels more permanently deployed.


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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 14:11
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Originally Posted by Carbon Bootprint View Post
Thank you for that reminder, Megan. Memories are short. Keeping things safe is a never-ending battle.
So you bring up a single incident that involved no other vessels from 15 years ago...
HMS Nottingham - July 2002 - run aground - no casualties

Yet you seem to have forgotten all those incidents from this year...
USS Antietam - January 2017 - run aground - no casualties
USS Lake Champlain - May 2017 - collision with civilian vessel at sea - no casualties
USS Fitzgerald - June 2017 - collision with civilian vessel at sea - 7 dead, several injured
USS John S McCain - August 2017 - collision with civilian vessel at sea - 10 dead, several injured

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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 14:28
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So now we are into a pissing competition.

"Our navy is better than your navy"

"But our navy is bigger and busier "

Who cares?

The fact of the matter is people are losing their lives, and valuable vessels are sustaining expensive and seemingly unnecessary damage.

What matters is that the US Navy takes a long hard look at all these incidents. They need to identify and rectify any deficiencies in their training and procedures and stop the rot.
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 14:44
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Dans ce pays-ci, il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 15:30
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I think I've found the real cause, USS John S. McCain couldn't see the merchant vessel because it was a Stealth ship!

Stealth Maritime Confirms Collision with US Navy Vessel - ACCIDENTS - SeaNews
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 15:41
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
This day and time....there might not be any onboard at all.
They're about to build the first unmanned vessel in Norway now. Should be in operation 2020.
https://www.nrk.no/telemark/skal-kut...vik-1.13508058
Sorry, Norwegian only, but you may look at the pretty picture.
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 15:48
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
They're about to build the first unmanned vessel in Norway now. Should be in operation 2020.
https://www.nrk.no/telemark/skal-kut...vik-1.13508058
Sorry, Norwegian only, but you may look at the pretty picture.
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 16:11
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Thank you!
That's the one.
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 17:18
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Does the USN, or RN put their watch keepers/standers and Captains through any form of anticollision training in a simulator? I was thinking of where the OOW is put into increasingly complex situations. Also is Bridge Team Management is taught and practiced?

RN - No, not really. There is a Helmsman sim which was (may be different now) just geared towards orders being relayed and transmitted into actions by the helmsman. Lots of real-life training takes place on the bridge though during OOW training serials.
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 18:51
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Thanks ex for that.


The OOW training, does that include anti collision work, or is more geared to maneuvers applicable to military tasking such as RASing etc?

I wondering as some MN Companies are getting quite involved in narrorow transits and anti collision situations using simulators. Which are now similar to aircraft sims.

Interesting comparing RN to MN
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