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Old 11th Aug 2017, 01:10   #21 (permalink)
 
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10 grand well spent. They all look like good up-standing Muslims to me, there community must be proud of them. Lets hope every trip to the showers is a good one for them !
The names from the linked newspaper article would support your guess for most of them.

But I'm not sure that "looking like a Muslim" is supportable.
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 04:43   #22 (permalink)
 
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Indeed, the means justify the ends.

Any end that can only be achieved by immoral means - is immoral.
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I was going by their names rather than "looks", names like Mohammed and Islam is a bit of a give away really.
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Jail cell, a blunt knife and a dirty surgical compress.

They don't come out, and no food goes in, until a) they're dead. b) they've removed and eaten their family jewels for starters.

Then the real pain and punishment can start.
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Jail cell, a blunt knife and a dirty surgical compress.

They don't come out, and no food goes in, until a) they're dead. b) they've removed and eaten their family jewels for starters.

Then the real pain and punishment can start.
I take it you're not an advocate of rehabilitation then? lol
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I take it you're not an advocate of rehabilitation then? lol
Which raises the issue of whether or not such an ingrained cultural attitude can be genuinely changed and the perpetrators rehabilitated.

From what has been reported, the key issue seems to be that the perpetrators have a firm belief that they have the right to treat young white girls as they like, as they are both inferior to them, and immoral in the way they dress and behave, in their view.

There seems to be a deep rooted cultural background to this; that women, in general, are considered to be lesser beings, and also that rape, and gang rape, is not seen as being as serious an offence in countries like Pakistan, India, Bangladesh etc. I know India, in particular, is trying to clamp down on this crime, but they've only really started taking this action following a number of high-profile recent cases - in the past it's just happened without there being much publicity about it.

Quite how this cultural view has come to extend through one or more generations of British born people from those cultures I don't know, but would hazard a guess that the tendency of those same cultures to form what amounts to ghettos, and thus not integrate well with the people of the country they have chosen to live in, may play a part. They aren't unique in that respect; the British seem pretty adept at forming ghettos in places like the Costa del Sol, too.

Personally, I have grave doubts as to whether prison will change their views, I suspect it may well even have the opposite effect.
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The Chief Constable of Northumberland Police stood up very well during the interview on BBC Breakfast yesterday by Charlie Stait.

Throughout the interview the BBC presenter was taking a totally one sided view that paying the informer was wrong, immoral and put other girls at risk, and despite the barrage the CC (quite correctly and clearly) put the force's point of view, and when he directed a quite justifiable to Stait he simply ignored it.

I'd say that interview alone ought to be enough to fast track him towards being CC of a bigger force, possibly even the Met. if and when a vacancy arises.
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 15:24   #28 (permalink)
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The CC of Northumberland is about to take his retirement from the force.

His predecessor has stated that she would not have approved the payment to the informant.
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Ms Sim badly needs a reality check .
Thank goodness she was bypassed during this investigation , pity that a good man who made s difference is leaving . To catch a burglar , you use a burglar for a fraudster use another fraudster for racist child rapists use one of the same . Morally difficult I don't think so ... it worked !
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Do you make a noise about 'they look like good upstanding Catholics' when priests get jailed for sex offences Impress to inflate?

Have you started a thread to berate the 'fine upstanding Christians' who have been arrested for the modern day slavery offences in Lincolnshire targeting the disadvantaged and keeping them in squalid conditions?

All religions have disgusting people in them who use and abuse others. It is the people who are disgusting, not the religions.

Equally all religions have some charming people in them who are kindly and considerate.

Individuals are at fault
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The old adage comes to mind, 'fight fire with fire'.
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I don't often agree with a Labour MP, but I feel that in this case, Sarah Champion is quite right. I hope that the Corbynistas don't start attacking her.....
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Jail cell, a blunt knife and a dirty surgical compress.

They don't come out, and no food goes in, until a) they're dead. b) they've removed and eaten their family jewels for starters.

Then the real pain and punishment can start.
While I have no sympathy at all for these people, I am surprised at the calls for "masonry drilling" and "blunt knives".
If you want to get serious then re-instate the death penalty.

And NO, I do not believe in rehabilitation except in a small number of cases, mainly related to non-violent crime.
And that is not a failing of the criminal justice system. It is a failing of the individuals who have committed and will continue to commit crimes against their fellow human beings; for whom they have no regard or respect at all.
When this group finally gets out of jail they will not have changed one iota, certainly not for the better.

If they get out of jail and then, coincidentally, commit no further crime then it will have nothing to do with rehabilitation.
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While I have no sympathy at all for these people, I am surprised at the calls for "masonry drilling" and "blunt knives".
If you want to get serious then re-instate the death penalty.
Torture has no use when investigating crime: any evidence obtained under torture is so unreliable as to render it unusable in a practical sense.

However, torture has a place when it comes to punishment. Sometimes execution itself simply isn't enough and the perpetrator needs to properly pay for what they did.

It does seem slightly wasteful however. Practical uses for criminals would include subjects for live medical testing, and organ harvest for transplant.
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Practical uses for criminals would include subjects for live medical testing, and organ harvest for transplant
As in Josef Mengele?
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and if they did then the whole Asian community would have been down on them like a ton of bricks.

Stoning is still in use then?
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So, the first political casualty is: Sarah Champion
MP Champion quits over rape article - BBC News
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So, the first political casualty is: Sarah Champion
MP Champion quits over rape article - BBC News
So, she tells it as it is, and has to resign from the front bench for just telling the truth?

Barking mad, totally and absolutely barking mad.

Nothing she said was racist, in fact she went out of her way to say that she wasn't being racist, yet she gets pilloried for saying what is blindingly obvious. It's not racist to point out facts, and the facts are very, very clear. We have a new form of child abuse, one where large groups of men, from a predominately Asian background, are grooming and abusing girls. That needs to be said in order to encourage the police to tackle the problem, rather than risk fear of being called racist if they dare to investigate anyone from an Asian background for suspected child abuse.
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So, she tells it as it is, and has to resign from the front bench for just telling the truth?
Indeed. And this is the very reason why these evil scrotes avoid being even considered for prosecution: the authorities are frit of having the racist label attached to them, both culturally and individually.


Champion's a champ in this case...
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