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Old 15th Aug 2017, 21:46
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Cornelius chatting to the CC as if she were the madam of a sleazy knocking shop will now be like a red rag to a bull for any drunken oiks flying with EZY on a stag-do

"Oi, miss. (Hic, grope). I saw your lot on telly the other night. (Burp). Can you fix me up with one of your mates with big tits?"

Interesting to hear EZY cc comments on this after today's flights.
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 22:19
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I think the lad failed a hidden IQ test. He should have opted for a bird with one big tit and one massive buttock, all in the interests of keeping one's options open - while remaining balanced.
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Originally Posted by simmple View Post
Whoever sent her on a cross country in that weather should be fired...
I think the scenario was slightly staged or edited for dramatic effect. She was still in the control zone! The weather was poor and that's quite common in NZ. From my experiences learning in NZ I found that:

-the school rigidly enforces the NZ CAA student minima which is obviously more limiting than legal VFR
-the weather can change quickly. It can be a tough country to fly in
-the forecasting isn't always the best (lack of weather stations and varying terrain across both islands can lead to very localised conditions)

All students get signed out with the duty instructor and discuss the weather in detail. The student can cancel at any time but you're encouraged to go if you both agree it's within your limits and legal limits. Each student also has a crosswind limit that's electronically logged which must be taken into account.

I had to return to Hamilton a few times on navs (especially early morning) as the weather around Hamilton was ok but fog was persisting in the valleys (no way of knowing until the first aircraft reported back). There were never any questions asked about why you returned - safety always came first. Likewise, no financial penalties. I got stranded on my QXC as a front moved in a lot quicker than both me and the instructor expected. I'm fairly sure the weather remained legal but the school put me up in a hotel to be safe. Free hours!

Flying in NZ made me a much better pilot than if I'd learnt in Phoenix. I think nearly every student and instructor agrees on that. Like the UK, the downside is that you can have very disrupted weeks where you hardly fly. Your time out there is sufficiently padded so every student completes the flying phase before their booked flight back.

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Old 15th Aug 2017, 23:23
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I do agree that while most of us would enjoy a a more technical overview. Most of the viewing public will be watching something else simultaneously on their iPads and twittering about both at the same time. Need a bit of posts drama to keep the attention... It's ashame these fresh faced cadets got caught up in it all before they had the life experience to know any better. That said I heard that some of them felt they had a better chance of getting the job in the first place if they agreed to the filming!

Before they got into the subject off cc tits Vs arses. Cornelius said he did everything when pf apart from taxing into the gate. Can anyone shed any light on why?
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 23:48
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Originally Posted by holding4release View Post
Cornelius said he did everything when pf apart from taxing into the gate. Can anyone shed any light on why?
Jetways are always on the left (for door 1L) as you taxi onto stand, vis is poor from the RHS.
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 06:50
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I thought it was okay and infinitely more interesting than the usual rubbish about desk agents and baggage handlers, the line training stuff especially was interesting. Massively let down by the last 5 minutes but then it is ITV after all.
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 09:21
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I accept your valid post.
Editing again I guess, they were saying cloud 600ft and showing aircraft in cloud etc,
Like the cb editing
My bad
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 16:13
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Having just caught up with this program, I think it a good testament to the airline industry. back in the 1990s, most airline copilot recruits were divided equally between ex military, comersicial flight schools and the self improvers with at least 1500 hours and with quite diverse backgrounds such as dentistry, medicine, fire brigade, construction, engineering to name a few. The diverse backgrounds and life experience, I believe that was healthy.

But the fact that we now how a culture, that as long as you can stub up 120k your in!

But my overview and critique is as follows:

(a) Chief Pilot mentioned human factors early, yeah?
(b) While to cadets were doing their take off and landings, cockpit was open with another cadet filming to the landing with a Iphone, that would have been interesting if the aircraft came to sudden stop, both for the jump seat occupant and cadet.
(c) In another clip there are two cadets stand behind the captain, where the fouth jumpseat is, Why what was the Captain thinking off.
(d) During landing and take off, is it not EasyJet's policy to be strapped in.
(e) Oh, the sterile flightdeck, apparently it is just no social conversation below 10,000 ft. I say it goes beyond that, to the extent no TV cameras on the flight deck, cabin door should be secure upon take off and landing, and I see little value beyound a qualified and type approved pilot in the jump seat.
(f) Next gripe, Manchester to Athens, there is no need for the Captain to leave the flight deck to have a chat with Cornelius' mother and sister. Have we not learnt anything from Germanwings.
(g) What was Cornelius thinking of allowing CC to ocuppy the captain's left hand seat, surely this isn't allowed in Easyjet. Surely CC, are trained to occupy the centre or left jumseat, to allow the captain rapid access back to his seat.
(h) Next the inappropriate conversation between Cornelius and CC, regarding he was bums or breast man, how does that reflect on Easyjet and the maturity of Cornelious.
(i) Next, when questioned about what the best thing about the job, answer putting on the uniform, how did this guy get through selection? I forgot he had a cheque.
(j) Onto the young lady from Oxford, that sounds like the start of a Limerick. The documentary stated they did there ab initio in NZ as the airspace is less congested, what rubbish. Surely a CPL cadet should be capable of learning in an environment such as Prestwick, Oxford, Southampton, Exeter.
(k) The emergency medical situation, a PAX with low BP and irregular heart beat, doctor on board, this is a good CRM senario. Ok the doctor can not enter, the flightdeck, but I think the catain should of had the conversation with the doctor on the intercom. If I was the captain, under a duty of care, if a qualified doctor told me to land at the nearest airport, I would have to go with that, I'm covered that way. Then we get into the senario, the captain is looking for a diversion at which he is looking for a diversion to an airport that the copilot can land at, what rubbish, how likely is that the captain will now be incapacitated. Secondly, the copilot should be aware,of the captains only airports, let say Salzberg, Tenerife. HER and SKG their are limitations, but from my experience are wx limitations. As for considerations as to the best medical traetment, all airports are likely to be near a good hospital, what rubbish, how could a captain make such a judgement. In respect of the request for medical treatment, I would have asked for an ambulance and to warn A & E.
(l) Now the solo navigation in NZ. I'm not familiar with their VFR rules in NZ, local met, and miltary operations. But I ask did the instructor and cadet check the weather, or is the weather unpredictable. My next point is the Wx, that looked a really bad situation to put a PPL student in, why not do a 180, descend to MSA, request qdms or radar or D & D if that exists in NZ. The reason i mentioned the military, it is not the best idea to fly 100 ft below the cloud base, if military aircraft descend at random through cloud.

In summery, I have concerns about the MPL and self funded route, do I really want my family and myself to be PAX who have probably never folwn solo aerobatics and spins. Oh no, they get there Airbus upset recovery training. likewise could these cadets actualy fly IFR solo, not a chance. This will all lead to a degradation in flying skills which will have serious implications in the future with pilots faced complicated emergencies.
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 17:39
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(b) While to cadets were doing their take off and landings, cockpit was open with another cadet filming to the landing with a Iphone, that would have been interesting if the aircraft came to sudden stop, both for the jump seat occupant and cadet.
(c) In another clip there are two cadets stand behind the captain, where the fouth jumpseat is, Why what was the Captain thinking off.
(d) During landing and take off, is it not EasyJet's policy to be strapped in.
I believe that during this training, it is a lot more relaxed as there are only pilots onboard. No pax. No CC.



e) Oh, the sterile flightdeck, apparently it is just no social conversation below 10,000 ft. I say it goes beyond that, to the extent no TV cameras on the flight deck, cabin door should be secure upon take off and landing, and I see little value beyound a qualified and type approved pilot in the jump seat.
Most of the cameras were fixed position. I think there were only a few times where there was a camera operator in the flight deck.



(f) Next gripe, Manchester to Athens, there is no need for the Captain to leave the flight deck to have a chat with Cornelius' mother and sister. Have we not learnt anything from Germanwings.
easyJet, unlike BA, operates a two persons flight deck policy. There would have been a CC in the flight deck with the first officer. Most likely the senior CC member. This is obviously to prevent another Germanwings. Why do BA feel that they do not need to operate this policy?



(g) What was Cornelius thinking of allowing CC to ocuppy the captain's left hand seat, surely this isn't allowed in Easyjet. Surely CC, are trained to occupy the centre or left jumseat, to allow the captain rapid access back to his seat.
Absolutely agree with you. The CC must only sit in the jumpseats. Think about the Aeroflot flight where the captain's son occupied his seat and accidentally disengaged the autopilot.



(k) The emergency medical situation, a PAX with low BP and irregular heart beat, doctor on board, this is a good CRM senario. Ok the doctor can not enter, the flightdeck, but I think the catain should of had the conversation with the doctor on the intercom. If I was the captain, under a duty of care, if a qualified doctor told me to land at the nearest airport, I would have to go with that, I'm covered that way. Then we get into the senario, the captain is looking for a diversion at which he is looking for a diversion to an airport that the copilot can land at, what rubbish, how likely is that the captain will now be incapacitated. Secondly, the copilot should be aware,of the captains only airports, let say Salzberg, Tenerife. HER and SKG their are limitations, but from my experience are wx limitations. As for considerations as to the best medical traetment, all airports are likely to be near a good hospital, what rubbish, how could a captain make such a judgement. In respect of the request for medical treatment, I would have asked for an ambulance and to warn A & E.
I feel this was handled really well between the pilots and CC. Communication was clear and efficient. Obviously a lot of editing but I believe the CC would have kept the pilots up to date (I'm sure they have a policy to inform the captain when an o2 bottle is being used). It would have been a waste of time for the doctor to speak to the captain via interphone. The CC would have relayed any concerns the doctor had.

As for airport restrictions for the first officer, I think it was played up a little for the camera, especially with the captain incap thought. Don't tell me if the aircraft was on fire and the captain was incap (due to smoke for example), the first officer will take that flaming metal tube an extra 100nm because he isn't "allowed" to land at the nearest available airfield as it's a captain only airfield.



The only awkward moment for me was the bloody mother.
1) She kept banging on about the money. She even asked the captain how long it will take for her to be paid back by her son!
2) The awful attempt at playing the piano.
3) How she called her son a captain (in front of the actual captain haha).
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 18:16
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As for flying skills, they have been on the gradual decline for decades.

Pilots today are taught, not to think and act, outside the box. Blind obedience to sops. A classic illustration was the burn out off the coast of Nova Scosta some years ago now. I dont think i need to elaborate.
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 20:16
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Why do BA feel that they do not need to operate this policy?
Not this again...

Possibly BA's SOP (whatever it is) might be a result of the fact that, in accordance with the EASA SIB on the subject, they examined "the safety and security risks associated with a flight crew member remaining alone in the flight crew compartment" and resulted in them coming to a conclusion based on the specifics of their operation. That conclusion, and the BA SOP, whatever it is, has been accepted by the regulator..

https://ad.easa.europa.eu/ad/2016-09

Now, back to the TV...
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 21:19
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Originally Posted by wtsmg View Post
Jetways are always on the left (for door 1L) as you taxi onto stand, vis is poor from the RHS.
Must be an Easyjet restriction. Perhaps during initial training? Don't know I don't work there but parking from the RHS is not a problem unless the guidance system is prehistoric and is aligned to the LHS. I park the 777 from the RHS on every sector I operate. The position of the jet bridge is irrelevant, they move that into position only once the aircraft is parked and chocked.

But the critical thing is I prefer a good handful and a shapely butt.
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 21:23
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Not this again...
Well I think it is disgusting and disrespectful towards the victims (and their memories) of the Germanwings accident.
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 23:14
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Homsap wrote in his critique ...

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a) Chief Pilot mentioned human factors early, yeah?
(b) While to cadets were doing their take off and landings, cockpit was open with another cadet filming to the landing with a Iphone, that would have been interesting if the aircraft came to sudden stop, both for the jump seat occupant and cadet.
(c) In another clip there are two cadets stand behind the captain, where the fouth jumpseat is, Why what was the Captain thinking off.
(d) During landing and take off, is it not EasyJet's policy to be strapped in.
(e) Oh, the sterile flightdeck, apparently it is just no social conversation below 10,000 ft. I say it goes beyond that, to the extent no TV cameras on the flight deck, cabin door should be secure upon take off and landing, and I see little value beyound a qualified and type approved pilot in the jump seat.
(f) Next gripe, Manchester to Athens, there is no need for the Captain to leave the flight deck to have a chat with Cornelius' mother and sister. Have we not learnt anything from Germanwings.
(g) What was Cornelius thinking of allowing CC to ocuppy the captain's left hand seat, surely this isn't allowed in Easyjet. Surely CC, are trained to occupy the centre or left jumseat, to allow the captain rapid access back to his seat.
(h) Next the inappropriate conversation between Cornelius and CC, regarding he was bums or breast man, how does that reflect on Easyjet and the maturity of Cornelious.
(i) Next, when questioned about what the best thing about the job, answer putting on the uniform, how did this guy get through selection? I forgot he had a cheque.
(j) Onto the young lady from Oxford, that sounds like the start of a Limerick. The documentary stated they did there ab initio in NZ as the airspace is less congested, what rubbish. Surely a CPL cadet should be capable of learning in an environment such as Prestwick, Oxford, Southampton, Exeter.
(k) The emergency medical situation, a PAX with low BP and irregular heart beat, doctor on board, this is a good CRM senario. Ok the doctor can not enter, the flightdeck, but I think the catain should of had the conversation with the doctor on the intercom. If I was the captain, under a duty of care, if a qualified doctor told me to land at the nearest airport, I would have to go with that, I'm covered that way. Then we get into the senario, the captain is looking for a diversion at which he is looking for a diversion to an airport that the copilot can land at, what rubbish, how likely is that the captain will now be incapacitated. Secondly, the copilot should be aware,of the captains only airports, let say Salzberg, Tenerife. HER and SKG their are limitations, but from my experience are wx limitations. As for considerations as to the best medical traetment, all airports are likely to be near a good hospital, what rubbish, how could a captain make such a judgement. In respect of the request for medical treatment, I would have asked for an ambulance and to warn A & E.
Couldn't agree more with the above. We must not let TV editing for 'human interest' get in the way of real time events must we!
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Old 17th Aug 2017, 07:58
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I park the 777 from the RHS on every sector I operate.
Bigger a/c, bigger airports and terminals with more space turning into the gate - would it be easier to park from RHS?
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Well I think it is disgusting and disrespectful towards the victims (and their memories) of the Germanwings accident.
Park the faux outrage bus, and don't post parts of other people's posts posts without giving the context. You should know why know the "not again" comment was made.

Just to be clear it was made because over the last couple of years there have been various threads about the EASA SIB (which aims to avoid a repeat of the Germanwings accident), and if you you read the SIB fully you'll see that BA complies.

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bigger airports and terminals with more space turning into the gate
No idea why the Easyjet rules -it is their trainset, fair enough, but FWIW the 777 doesn't just inhabit the wide open spaces....Ours get squeezed into some tight corners, it's pretty darned neat in some Caribbean and African Destinations (it's even b. tight on the blast fence and wing tips at the likes of JFK)...and yes, there's often a jetbridge as well..but where I am if it's the co-pilots sector sector he/she parks it..
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Does any current A320 pilot want to comment if a copilot has control over the nosewheel steering?
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Old 17th Aug 2017, 13:13
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Both pilots have full control authority over NWS. The rudder pedals give 9 degrees of travel and both sides have a tiller.
It seems to me that most airports have the guidance system set for the left seat. Some with just lines only have the stop lines on the left as well.
LHS onto stand is policy and prob an insurance thing?
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Old 17th Aug 2017, 14:12
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We park the from the RHS on the Baby Bus at BA. Must just be an easyJet SOP.
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