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Old 26th Jul 2017, 14:20
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You're wrong. Electric cars are massively more efficient than piston-bangers.

That's why hybrids get better mpg than pure piston-bangers.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 14:35
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Actually they don't. I regularly get 70mpg from my Merc C220 on a 700 round trip to Paris at about an average 55mph. Most hybrids won't match that.

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Old 26th Jul 2017, 14:35
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Sigh,

Another non-physicist weighs in with drivel. Sold a bill of tissue, and believes every word from the govts mouth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density

How very sad.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 14:42
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Originally Posted by Cazalet33 View Post
I find myself shaking my head at the absurdity of old-fashioned piston-bangers. That such 19th century technology is still being used so widely this far into the 21st century is quite amazing.
Yet another one who doesn't seem to realize that electric cars predated ICE cars. It's electrics that are the 19th century technology, ICEs were primarily 20th century technology.

Back on this topic, it's good to see the Conservative party returning to their support of the free market and minimal regulation.

And the funny part is that, having had to resort to paying companies to keep generators ready to run because they haven't built enough power stations, they'll now have diesel generators producing electricity to be sent across the country to charge 'clean' electric cars.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 14:46
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Although very expensive now and lacking refuelling stations, hydrogen fuel cells must be the future.
They might be, if only someone could find a hydrogen mine to power them.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 14:50
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Is there no compound of hydrogen gas (such as H2S) that is sufficiently stable (and abundant) that is also easy to crack into pure hydrogen?

What we need is a simple method of storing H2O then splitting it (efficiently) into H2 (and oxygen) then recombining it to release the energy . . .
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 14:59
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Actually they don't. I regularly get 70mpg from my Merc C220 on a 700 round trip to Paris at about an average 55mph. Most hybrids won't match that.
My whole-life average fuel consumption is currently sitting at 134 mpg. Winter is usually around 125 mpg or so, summer is well over 160mpg, up to 175 mpg at times.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 15:12
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Electric cars are not as green as you might think.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 15:31
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A few years ago.....


"BC Transit is supporting British Columbia’s Hydrogen Highway by implementing the world’s largest demonstration fleet of fuel cell electric buses in Whistler, BC.
In addition to producing zero greenhouse gas tailpipe emissions, hydrogen fuel cell electric buses contribute to a better quality of life."


A couple of years later....


"Hydrogen buses that were once lauded as the future of clean transportation in B.C. are being replaced by old-fashioned diesel power.
The 20 vehicles were part of a high profile, $90-million plan to showcase hydrogen power during the 2010 Winter Olympics in Whistler.

BC Transit is now taking bids on the buses and will either sell them off or have them converted to use diesel or other fuel. They have been in storage for several months and each has roughly 200,000 kilometres on the odometer.


According to Burnaby's Ballard Power Systems, which manufactures fuel cell engines, Whistler's hydrogen buses cost $1.34 per kilometre to maintain, versus 65 cents per kilometre for diesel-powered buses."




As far as banning internal combustion engine cars - how about going to pedal power. Many advantages, including no emissions (except for body gas release), quiet (except for the cursing), doubles as an exercise regime leading to a healthier population and to offset the addition of passengers - Everyone Gets a set of Pedals!
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 15:37
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Meanwhile in Newcastle/Gateshead.

Plug pulled on Newcastle quayside electric bus.

The original gas-turbine hybrid buses were eventually scrapped as nobody offered to buy them.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 15:45
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To be fair, it's all pointless anyway. If Britain still exists by 2040, telepresense will have made physical travel obsolete.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 15:49
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And this was a surprise to exactly who? Apart from the government, obviously.......

Diesel and petrol car ban: Plan for 2040 unravels as 10 new power stations needed to cope with electric revolution
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 15:54
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Not sure how it takes 10kWh to travel 100 km. 10kW is equivalent to 13.4hp at 100 % conversion efficiency. Maybe it's all downhill?

Aluminium conductors? They've burnt quite a few buildings, the problem being that the aluminium being soft, creeps and loosens connections, which then get hot. If you use a harder aluminium alloy, the resistivity is higher. So you need to weld the connections.

If the idea is that peak demand will come from taking power out of cars and into the mains, that shortens the life of the battery......

I still haven't heard where all the electricity needed is coming from anyway. A lot of places just aren't suitable for solar panels - radeng castle for example, unless we cut down over a dozen full size oak trees.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 15:58
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"Mr Gove has significantly stripped back previous plans which could have seen restrictions on diesel cars across entire city and town centres. He instead wants councils to focus on reducing emissions on specific roads."


This is so silly.
Reduce it on specific roads and spread it out to somewhere else? There is still the same amount of pollution to deal with and the same amount of vehicles. It's still all there in the air.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 16:05
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What a shame that the ghastly diesel has pulled down the somewhat less ghastly petrol engine with it!
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 16:19
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Yet Mr Grayling has cancelled the electricfication of the South West and the Midland Main Railway Lines. Doesn't make much sense to me.
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I wonder where the charging points are going to be in the more remote parts of the island? Plus you can't carry a jerry can of electricity.....
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Listening to Jeremy Vine today on this subject, lead me to check on charging points in the UK. None beyond a line from Fort William to Montrose. I'm of the opinion that this is an inner city solution, to an inner city problem.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 16:21
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Yet Mr Grayling has cancelled the electricfication of the South West and the Midland Main Railway Lines. Doesn't make much sense to me.
That is to save electricity for all the new electric cars.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 16:21
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I started a thread on this in the Military thread a few days ago.
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