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Old 1st Aug 2017, 20:59
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Many people have commented that the original version of this film was much better than the new one. But the fact is that you will never get the younger generation to watch the old version. So the only way that they are going to learn anything about these events is to watch the new version.

They will not spot any errors and will probably think that any sound problems are the result of all of the old f**ts harrumphing around them.
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Old 1st Aug 2017, 21:03
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Originally Posted by keith williams View Post
They will not spot any errors and will probably think that any sound problems are the result of all of the old f**ts harrumphing around them.
Just maybe, some of those "old farts" you derided are WWII veterans.
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Old 1st Aug 2017, 21:58
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I did not deride anyone. I merely stated how youngsters regard older generations. To a teenager, anyone over forty is and old f...t, and anyone over 60 is positively prehistoric.

Many will go to see this film because one of their heroes, Harry Styles is in it. But I doubt if any will go to see an accurate depiction of history. And if you were to suggest that they should watch the old Dicky Attenburgh version, they are likely so say something like, oh yea, he was the guy who did all of those nature programs, dId he do war films as well?.
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Sadly I think you're right. Same thing happened when the Denzel Washington version of the Dirty Dozen was released. When I told my sons (who are in their 30s) that I thought the Yul Brynner version was better they both asked "Who ?"

Ho hum. I'm only 58, a whippersnapper really.

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Old 1st Aug 2017, 23:32
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Originally Posted by Nigerian Expat Outlaw View Post
Sadly I think you're right. When I told my sons (who are in their 30s) that I thought the Yul Brynner version was better they both asked "Who ?"
I know that the King of Jordan was a pilot, but I didn't know about the King of Siam . . .
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Old 2nd Aug 2017, 02:09
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When I told my sons (who are in their 30s) that I thought the Yul Brynner version was better they both asked "Who ?"
Err - I think you may mean Telly Savalas ??
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Not true - my son (and my grandson) - among others - had an impressive head of dark hair when born.
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Old 2nd Aug 2017, 10:27
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Err - I think you may mean Telly Savalas ??
Getting his numbers mixed up. Brynner was in The Magnificent Seven , Savalas in The Dirty Dozen. I didn't know there had been a remake of the latter, seems to have passed me by.
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Old 2nd Aug 2017, 17:36
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TTN, and TS was also in The Battle of the Bulge. I have no idea if his exploits in beating the Germans to the fuel store was true or not. I suspect it was more a Telly Savalas cameo than one based on reality.
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Old 2nd Aug 2017, 17:42
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After seeing the film I looked up a number of things on Dunkirk. What I think it lacked was the sight of the sheer chaos in the town and on the beaches (it would have been difficult to persuade the current residents to have their town messed up for the sake of a film!). This programme gives a very balanced view from all sides and is well worth watching:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcX8NvJPOFc&t=194s

And here is Kenneth Branagh talking about the film and what some of the Dunkirk veterans thought of it. Chris Nolan chose to place the emphasis on the personal perspectives of some of those involved - and this seems to have struck a chord with those who were there:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uivjORoSW0k

And this is the man whom history forgets. He masterminded the evacuation from Dunkirk, the naval operations in the Mediterranean for the landings in North Africa, the invasion of Sicily and, finally, he was the naval commander for the D-Day landings. A very great commander:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8avIiYGRgM
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Old 2nd Aug 2017, 19:59
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Just seen it on iMax and TBH couldn't get to worked up about it....I'm a simple soul and whilst being nonlinear in one's story telling might be fashionable I found the zig zagging of the timeline ("oh we're now back at that bit but seeing it from another POV") irritating after a while.

(it would have been difficult to persuade the current residents to have their town messed up for the sake of a film!)
I think we appreciate that, and I know Nolan didn't want to use CGI/computer effects but he could have least made an effort to frame some shots to hide modern TV aerials......the first one appears on a house in the background within the first ten minutes of the film.
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shots to hide modern TV aerials......the first one appears on a house in the background within the first ten minutes of the film.
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Telly Savalas was also in Kelly's Heroes which is one of the better war films from the 60's.It was one of the first films that didn't use Patton tanks as Tiger tanks. The Tiger tanks looked authentic although they might have been t-55's dressed up as they did in SPR.
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
I think we appreciate that, and I know Nolan didn't want to use CGI/computer effects but he could have least made an effort to frame some shots to hide modern TV aerials......the first one appears on a house in the background within the first ten minutes of the film.
Missed that. Must've been looking at the plastic extractor fan cowl on a wall!

Little details that you could easily miss, but jar massively if you do spot them. Which, to be fair, I normally don't!
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My daughter has asked me to go and see Dunkirk with her so on our journey back from Tobleroneland we drove through Dunkirk so she could get a feel for the reality of the place before seeing the film. She was amazed to see the bullet / shrapnel damage still extant on the church and surrounding buildings. We are both looking forward to seeing the film and I have earplugs at the ready!

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Dementia ?

Indeed I meant Magnificent Seven.

Apologies, numerical dyslexia I fear.

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Old 4th Aug 2017, 00:06
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They didn't bother much about details like extraneous TV aerials in the past. I was watching the Hammer oldie Curse of the Werewolf tonight (last saw it when I was 16) and was amused to see coloured electric lights strung around the garden of a taverna - and this in 18th century Spain!

Didn't spoil the film for me.
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Old 4th Aug 2017, 07:42
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
She was amazed to see the bullet / shrapnel damage still extant on the church and surrounding buildings.
While most war damage has been rebuilt or patched up, some such as the façade of the Palais de Justice in Rouen have been left untouched as a memorial to those who died.

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Thing about Kelly's heroes, Dirty Dozen, Bridge at Remargen etc, Saving Private Ryan, these were all US block busters. They were outside the consciousness of the average Brit.

British war films were about things that our parents knew and we ready from contemporary books. Where the film was fiction - the great escape, there were elements from other camps.

I have not looked but it would be interesting to know how realistic those US films were, we have already had a critique of Battle of the Bulge.
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