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Old 5th Feb 2017, 22:37
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interesting claim

I just found an interesting claim by a car manufacturer, they claim to have made more four wheel drive vehicles than anyone else.

Around here, all of the roads seem to full of Range Rovers, Land Rovers (all strains thereof) and a good few Mitsubishi models. It isn't any of them.

It isn't Audi, or Toyota, or Jeep, or Ford.

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Yup, Subaru. Somewhere in the world there must be a high density of them 'cause they don't seem to be that plentiful here.
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Old 5th Feb 2017, 22:48
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I recall reading a while back that Subaru only make four wheel drive models. So if that is true, every Subaru on the road must be four wheel drive. They are rather popular with farmer's wives and the Impreza models are beloved of the boy racers, so the claim is very probably true.
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Old 5th Feb 2017, 23:07
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While they may claim that title, one wonders how many of them remain serviceable - particularly in comparison to Range Rovers and Toyota Land Cruisers and other more sturdy rough terrain conveyances.
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Old 5th Feb 2017, 23:34
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From what I've read, Subarus do well in reliability surveys. They do have one rear-wheel drive car in their current range - the BRZ which was jointly developed with Toyota's GT86.
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Old 5th Feb 2017, 23:43
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Subaru still have, in some showrooms, a poster suggesting all of their vehicles are all wheel drive. This hasn't been true for a few years as they have one model, the BRZ, which is a joint project with Toyota, it is only two wheel drive. Nice looking car though.

As for longevity, my Subaru Legacy is just coming up to 17 years old. Unlike many "chelsea tractors" it has been off road a few times, usually in connection with visits to grass airfields in out of the way locations.
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Old 5th Feb 2017, 23:50
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There are 4WD and then there are Subarus
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Old 6th Feb 2017, 01:24
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In the US Rocky Mountain states, Subaru's are everywhere, and have a well earned reputation for reliability. They are also heavily marketed for safety (Subaru was the first auto manufacturer in the USA to make anti-lock brakes standard on all their models). They are also somewhat more likely to be seen off-road than Land Rovers (which on this side of the pond mainly belong to the well-to-do who wouldn't dare take them off-road where they might get their precious status symbol scratched up).
and a good few Mitsubishi models
That's an oxy-moron (and yes I made the mistake of owning one)
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Old 6th Feb 2017, 02:27
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A shoot with a Subaru dealer. He got the Subie dealership as part of a package buy and really didn't want it. His mind has changed, as he told me, "it's a dealer's dream car, leaves the showroom, never comes back with and an unhappy buyer and needs little service". In New Engkand, they're everywhere. The Outback is a nice package, if it coukd get over the CVT transmission and the image if a lesbian's car.

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Old 6th Feb 2017, 06:19
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That's an oxy-moron (and yes I made the mistake of owning one)
The first one I purchased in 1974 was so great that I purchased another in 1982, both brand new. The 1982 one was such a disaster that I swore on the all mighty I'd never purchase another of their products. Promise kept.
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Old 6th Feb 2017, 06:54
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I suppose most of you proud Subaru owners already know this, but a few years ago, I learned Subaru means 'unite' in Japanese and is also the name used to describe the Pleiades cluster, also known as the Seven Sisters. A look at the emblem, however shows only five stars in formation and a 'central' sixth - the five companies that made up the parent. This led me to read about the Pleiades cluster, where although the naked eye can only discern 6 stars, for whatever reason, cultures across the globe often have seven elements as their accompanying myth story - on par with the Greeks.

Back to your (collective) beloved Subarus, top car looks decidedly British (Subaru 1500) whilst the lower one appears to have Gallic roots. (Subaru 360)

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And the world's largest tyre manufacturer (by units produced) is...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_tire
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Old 6th Feb 2017, 07:52
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GF, back in my college days I had a buddy who's old man owned a Subaru dealership - similar story (and that was 40 years ago). He claimed that Subaru's were really popular with the oil companies in the Middle East because they'd keep running with minimal maintenance far longer than any other vehicles.
For a long time, the big slam on Subaru was that the terms "Subaru" and "style" were mutually exclusive. But they managed to fix that about 20 years ago.
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I'm currently on my 5th Subaru, a gen4 Legacy wagon. It is a modestly sized long roof car (to carry long loads on the roof rack) with just enough length (180cm) to sleep me (178cm) and my wife (shorter) overnight on our trips to Narita for an early flight.

This one is on 120,000km, and I'm going to have to replace the original tyres when I switch from winter to summer.

My bestest Legacy wagon (gen2) was on 320,000km and still driving like a new car when I was forced to hand it over to my ex-wife.

None of my Subarus gave me any surprises in terms of reliability or dynamics. Subaru AWD is about real world traction, not rock-kicking Rubicon Trail fantasy.
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Huh, there's me thinking it was going to be the FIAT Panda and it turns out to be a Scooby Doo!
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Old 6th Feb 2017, 23:23
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This led me to read about the Pleiades cluster, where although the naked eye can only discern 6 stars, for whatever reason, cultures across the globe often have seven elements as their accompanying myth story - on par with the Greeks.
Sort of off topic but with good eyes (which I don't have anymore ) and clear dark skies ( which we do) you'll find to the naked eye the Pleiades does have seven stars, hence the "seven sisters" story/ label which has been passed down through history (though there is a thought that one of the seven might have faded since ancient times and is now closer to the visible limit than it used to be). I've certainly seen the seven naked eye but at least one pair of stars are a close double, which needs good eyesight to resolve and I think the problem these days is any significant pollution, light pollution etc and you won't see the dim seventh...which probably means most people will only ever see the six.....but believe me it is there, just....

BTW if you actually look at the Pleiades through binoculars you'll see it's actually a very pretty lose cluster of dozens of stars, all bar 6/7 are not visible to the naked eye.....

Back to topic......

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Old 7th Feb 2017, 00:10
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Per capita, Subaru thinks NZ has the most Subarus in the world ...
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 01:03
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FWIW, because of the insane amounts of snow we get in Japan, just about every mainstream vehicle here comes with an AWD option. AWD Corolla or Civic, anyone? No problem, we have the model for you.
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 01:40
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In those parts of the USA that have real winter -- and in all provinces of Canada -- Subaru has become the "go to" vehicle for both reliability and performance in winter conditions. My Subaru even serves me well on BC's many "forestry roads" (gravel or dirt backroads that make up thousands of kms of backroads in BC).

Wouldn't trade it.
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 01:43
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In Oz we have 4WD's with diff lock or LSD and then there are the AWD's like Subaru that arent for serious off roading! Subarus rate high for dealer surveys as they need plenty of maintenance and attention IMHO.
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Plenty of two wheel drive subarus in the past and present.

I had the good old XT turbo AWD.

It had AWD, a button to lock all differentials, a button to lower or raise ride height, and the 4x4 button which raised the car further.

It had super expensive air springs on the shocks and it was really fun to have it all the way up, stop at an intersection next to a honda driver, push both buttons and have the car drop down a few inches.

That car would go anywhere.

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